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** Example: '''tce-''' prefix. In '''tcebroda''' in instead puts '''broda''' into x2 of '''mutce''' in expansion.
** Example: '''tce-''' prefix. In '''tcebroda''' in instead puts '''broda''' into x2 of '''mutce''' in expansion.
** See also [[selskiski]].
** See also [[selskiski]].
** [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/Fu4L7pr04gg/aitwQSBBKGgJ Cyril Slobin nad Russian community] noted the same. {{vlapoi|lo|pofygau}} could be allegedly expanded into '''lo gasnu je spofu''' or '''lo gasnu poi spofu''' but in turjvbo ideology this doesn't happen since '''-gau''' is a suffix having a fixed meaning.
** [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/Fu4L7pr04gg/aitwQSBBKGgJ Cyril Slobin and Russian community] noted the same. {{vlapoi|lo|pofygau}} could be allegedly expanded into '''lo gasnu je spofu''' or '''lo gasnu poi spofu''' but in turjvbo ideology this doesn't happen since '''-gau''' is a suffix having a fixed meaning.

Revision as of 14:20, 14 August 2015

Concepts

  • lujvo - a verb formally consisting of rafsi according to Lojban morphology.
  • jvajvo - a lujvo that can be unwrapped into a bridi according to rules of its consisting slotted rafsi.
  • cimjvo - a lujvo the meaning (+ sometimes place structure) of which is unpredictable from its constituent rafsi
  • turjvo - a lujvo that has rafsi taking certain positions (slots) in the lujvo with fixed effect.

turjvo classes

If for a given lujvo you find more places than listed here it means this lujvo is not a jvajvo.

  1. -gau suffix. x1 x2 x3 x4 ... brodygau unwraps into x1 gasnu lo nu x2 broda x3 x4 .... Equivalent to x1 jai gau broda fai x2 x3 x4 ...
  2. -ske suffix. brodyske = x1 is the broda science, broda-ology studying particular subject x2
  3. -pre suffix. brodypre means x1 is a brodaman, a broda-er. Roughly corresponds to English "-er" or "-man" like "fireman" etc. Can describe only persons, not non-conscious pbjects.
  4. cmacma, brabra mean very small, very big. Unwrap according to La Tsani's Flipping Principle.
  5. bra- prefix generates cimjvo. brabroda - something like broda metaphorically. The place structure is identical to broda. bramlatu is Big Cat, not big cat. braxamsi is described by some not just as a big xamsi but having some new properties.
    • Not sure if it's truly a cimjvo. It seems like brabroda is more like ce'u broda ce'u li'o gi'e barda gi'e co'e, with co'e being defined by whatever semantic needs that drive one to use brabroda over barda (je) broda or ze'u broda.
      • the examples with bramlatu and braxamsi show that the meaning can't be clearly predicted. La Gleki (talk) 23:44, 31 djulio 2015 (PDT)
  6. cma- prefix generates cimjvo.
  7. tce- prefix. tcebroda unwraps into mutce lo ka ce'u broda
  8. zan- prefix is applied to the whole lujvo part after it, doesn't need kem after it. Marks the tail as something favorable, nice, cool.
  9. mal- prefix is applied to the whole lujvo part after it, doesn't need kem after it. Marks the tail as something bad, deplorable, shitty.

lo seltau that are adverbial

  • certain prefixes work as adverbs. i.e. in a lujvo with two selbrisle they dont take the position of x2 of the tertau.
    • Example: tce- prefix. In tcebroda in instead puts broda into x2 of mutce in expansion.
    • See also selskiski.
    • Cyril Slobin and Russian community noted the same. lo pofygau could be allegedly expanded into lo gasnu je spofu or lo gasnu poi spofu but in turjvbo ideology this doesn't happen since -gau is a suffix having a fixed meaning.