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djin.meiz is a student of lojban, loglan, linguistics, artificial languages in general, music, logic, economics, religion/theology and politics living in the Hampton Roads/Tidewater VA area. I'm probably one of the younger lojbanistas, a mere lad in my teens. Forgive my English, I'm a native speaker and in double-negative territory at that.
For example, cilre, djuno, jimpe, and others have similar structure (agent event subject). I've found [[gismu|gismu]] with 3 or more place structure hardest to remember so i'll put those here.


Contact me for whatever reason you please, I'm always interested in conversing with lojbanists.
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email: [[jbocre: ailto:e|emaas@HotPOP.com]]
Major grouping...agent event subject (extra)


Yahoo ID: eumaas
*cilre learn
**x1 learns x2 (du'u) about subject x3 from source x4 (obj./event) by method x5 (event/process)
 
*djuno know
**x1 knows fact(s) x2 (du'u) about subject x3 by epistemology x4
 
*facki discover ; 'find'
**x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about subject/object x3; x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)
 
*jdice decide
**x1 (person) decides/makes decision x2 (du'u) about matter x3 (event/state)
 
*jijnu intuit
**x1 (person) intuits x2 (du'u) about subject x3;
 
*jimpe understand ; 'comprehend'
**x1 understands/comprehends fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3
 
*krici believe ; 'creed'
**x1 believes without evidence that belief/creed x2 (du'u) is true/assumed about subject x3
 
*morji remember ; 'memory'
**x1 remembers/recalls/recollects fact(s)/memory x2 (du'u) about subject x3
 
*smadi guess ; 'surmise'
**x1 guesses/conjectures/surmises x2 (du'u) is true about subject x3;
 
*sruma assume
**x1 assumes/supposes that x2 (du'u) is true about subject x3;
 
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Two operand plus property.
 
*places: focus, compared-to, property.
 
**zmadu,mleca,mintu,simsa,frica,dukti,jibni,fapro
*places: focus, focus object, property.
 
**ranxi,xajmi,zdile,mansa,sarxe,satci,stace
 
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What is to be done about these?  ''use as a learning aid.  i noticed i often knew a gismu without remembering the place structure.''
 
But beware of the [[Inconsistent Gismu Place Structures Gotcha|Inconsistent Gismu Place Structures Gotcha]].

Latest revision as of 08:15, 30 June 2014

For example, cilre, djuno, jimpe, and others have similar structure (agent event subject). I've found gismu with 3 or more place structure hardest to remember so i'll put those here.


Major grouping...agent event subject (extra)

  • cilre learn
    • x1 learns x2 (du'u) about subject x3 from source x4 (obj./event) by method x5 (event/process)
  • djuno know
    • x1 knows fact(s) x2 (du'u) about subject x3 by epistemology x4
  • facki discover ; 'find'
    • x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about subject/object x3; x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)
  • jdice decide
    • x1 (person) decides/makes decision x2 (du'u) about matter x3 (event/state)
  • jijnu intuit
    • x1 (person) intuits x2 (du'u) about subject x3;
  • jimpe understand ; 'comprehend'
    • x1 understands/comprehends fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3
  • krici believe ; 'creed'
    • x1 believes without evidence that belief/creed x2 (du'u) is true/assumed about subject x3
  • morji remember ; 'memory'
    • x1 remembers/recalls/recollects fact(s)/memory x2 (du'u) about subject x3
  • smadi guess ; 'surmise'
    • x1 guesses/conjectures/surmises x2 (du'u) is true about subject x3;
  • sruma assume
    • x1 assumes/supposes that x2 (du'u) is true about subject x3;

Two operand plus property.

  • places: focus, compared-to, property.
    • zmadu,mleca,mintu,simsa,frica,dukti,jibni,fapro
  • places: focus, focus object, property.
    • ranxi,xajmi,zdile,mansa,sarxe,satci,stace

What is to be done about these? use as a learning aid. i noticed i often knew a gismu without remembering the place structure.

But beware of the Inconsistent Gismu Place Structures Gotcha.