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A proposed fu'ivla from Ancient Loglan days, when fu'ivla could look like gismu. The proposed meaning was x1 is a bad programmer, believe it or not.

  • You mean they can't anymore? What about mekso?
    • The point is that you cannot, under the baseline, add any 5-letter brivla to the language. In Pre-GMR Loglan, brivla had the form of gismu or CVC+gismu or CVC+CVC+gismu etc. Any brivla could take any form; lujvo were made by gluing random bits of gismu together, and you couldn't reliably disassemble them. See Jenny.
      • mark.:
        • (This possibly belongs on another page)... I personally don't see any problem with considering as a fu'ivla any word that isn't a known gismu, a lujvo, a cmene, or a compound cmavo (and of course, that neither sheds (tosmabru) nor absorbs (slinku'i) cmavo). OK, whatever other limitations too (I know fu'ivla can't have a y, though I'm not sure why).
        • John Cowan:
          • Basically because it makes the slinku'i test harder, IIRC.
      • mark.:
        • The point is, anything that isn't anything else can be a fu'ivla, or more generally, a nonce-brivla. That's really the point: nonce-words should be usable pretty much anywhere. That's why god created za'e and cei. Just so long as you say somewhere near the top of your document/discussion loi spero (cei seke bangu je kulnu ke'e bela'o .pan. Esperanto .pan.)... or whatever. Even rafsi are okay! You can probably expect people to be able to deduce from the fact that you're using spero that the rafsi sper- belongs to it, but if that's a problem, well, you can say (zo sper. rafsi zo spero). So basically, to me, anything not something else can be a nonce-brivla. Why not? Mathematicians and even casual speakers often redefine the notation for the duration of a paper.
    • The equivalent of xruki at that time was turki.
      • Where in the world does this come from?
        • Where does what come from?
          • The source of the word "terki".
            • And Rosta:
              • I assumed it was from turkey; I'd be disappointed if it wasn't.
                • John Cowan:
                  • I think we'd all be astonished if it wasn't. I have gotten my Loglanists out of cold storage, so soon we will know all about terki and Jeeg and Talen.
                    • Well, we have J&T now. Does terki show up in your old Loglanists?
                      • Yes, it does; and no, the etymology isn't explained -- probably considered too obvious.