BPFK Section: Numeric selbri

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cmavo: me (ME)

Proposed Definition

Converts a sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure "x1 is/are among the referents of the sumti".

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {me'u}
  • {mei}
  • {moi}
  • {gunma}
  • {cmima}

Proposed Keywords

Usage Examples

xu do djica lo nu do me mi'a
"Do you want to be one of us?"

Notes

Issues

cmavo: me'u (MEhU)

Proposed Definition

Terminator for ME.

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {me}

Proposed Keywords

  • terminator

Usage Examples

to lo me zo ku me'u pe di'u cu jai seldji vau li'a sai .u'i toi
(The 'ku' of the previous sentence was intentional indeed lol)

Notes

Issues

cmavo: moi (MOI)

Proposed Definition

Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is "x1 is/are the [number]th among x2 by rule x3". More generally, for any sumti the place structure is "x1 is/are the one(s) among x2 that correspond(s) to [number/lerfu/sumti] by rule x3".

Proposed Tag

See also

  • {me}
  • {mei}
  • {si'e}
  • {cu'o}
  • {va'e}

Proposed Keywords

Usage Examples

ma xamoi le te minde i xamoi le te minde fa lo nu na catra
"Which is the sixth commandment? The sixth commandment is, Thou shalt not kill."
ju'i do'u do tolcliva le ba'e romoi be le papri be la internet i a'o do pu zanfri lo nu catlu i caku ko tolcikygau le do skami gi'e barkla gi'e kelci
"Attention: You have reached the very last page of the Internet. We hope you have enjoyed your browsing. Now turn off your computer and go outside and play."
la cerni tarci cu romoi lo tarci poi ka'e se viska pu lo nu co'a donri
"The morning star is the last star that's visible before the dawning of the day."
le mi dinju cu da'apamoi le zunle
"My building is the one before last on the left hand side."
le ro relselxi'u cu mitsi'umlu i ta'i ma da djuno lo du'u makau me do moi
"All the bicycles looked alike. How could you tell which one was yours!"
ta me mi moi
"That's mine."

Notes

Issues

klaku: The moi3 is not very well defined. Is it a process by which to order? In that case, describing the process will lead to a very long sumti, which is not practical. I suggest that it is a {ka}, so that lo moi is ordered such that those with most of the property are before those with less of the property. Thus, "second in shortness" is {remoi fi loka tordu}, rather than something involving a description of an elobate process.



cmavo: mei (MOI)

Proposed Definition

Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is "x1 are [number] in number and are among x2". In general for any sumti the place structure is "x1 is/are among x2, quantified by [number/lerfu/sumti]".

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {me}
  • {moi}
  • {si'e}
  • {cu'o}
  • {va'e}

Proposed Keywords

Usage Examples

ko drisla lo nuntolji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'i mei .i ku'i ko geisla lo nunji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'u mei
"Mourn the losses because they are many but celebrate the victories because they are few."

Notes

Issues

klaku: The definitions for this cmavo are many and contradicting. CLL states 3 or four te sumti, this page's definition 2, and valsi/vlasisku states 3 te sumti. Also, it is not clear what mei3 is supposed to be. I suggest the other definitions be changed to match this one, with only 2 te sumti.



cmavo: si'e (MOI)

Proposed Definition

Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is "x1 is/are a [number]th of x2". In general for any sumti the place structure is "x1 is a part/fraction of x2, quantified by [number/lerfu/sumti]".

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {me}
  • {mei}
  • {moi}
  • {cu'o}
  • {va'e}

Proposed Keywords

Usage Examples

lo so'i tadni cu zabna se ctuca lo gubni ckule .i ku'i lo go'i cu mo'a si'e lo ro mei
"Many students get a first-rate education in the public schools, but they represent too small a fraction of the whole."

Notes

Issues

cmavo: cu'o (MOI)

Proposed Definition

Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure is "x1 has an expectation/probability [number/lerfu/sumti] under conditions x2".

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {me}
  • {mei}
  • {moi}
  • {si'e}
  • {va'e}

Proposed Keywords

Usage Examples

la'e di'u cu mu no ce'i cu'o 
"That has a fifty percent chance of happening."

Notes

Issues

cmavo: va'e (MOI)

Proposed Definition

Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure "x1 has value [number/lerfu/sumti] on scale x2".

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {me}
  • {moi}
  • {mei}
  • {si'e}
  • {cu'o}

Proposed Keywords

Usage Examples

ui lo mi prosa cu .abu va'e
"Yay! My essay was graded with an 'A'."

Notes

Issues

Issues

The CLL has:

  • lei ratcu poi zvati le panka cu so'umei lo'i ratcu
  • The-mass-of rats which are-in the park are a-fewsome with-respect-to the-set-of rats.
  • The rats in the park are a small number of all the rats there are.

Which I don't think fits with mei as we use it at all; either the definition here or the CLL needs changing.



Formal definitions

MOI
x1 number moi x2 x3 x1 me x2 gi'e lidne da'a number me x2 x3
x1 number mei x2 x1 me x2 gi'e klani li number lo se gradu be x2
x1 number si'e x2 x1 pagbu x2 gi'e klani li number lo se gradu be x2
x1 number cu'o x2 x1 se pacna zi'o li number va'o x2
x1 number va'e x2 x1 se merli zi'o li number x2



General Section Notes

  1. The definition of me corresponds to the basic relation __Among__ as formalized in the book Plural Predication (Oxford University Press, 2006) by Thomas McKay, which also agrees with the definition as given in CLL. See gadri: an unofficial commentary from a logical point of view for a precise discussion on plural quantification and me.
  2. The interpretation proposed for a ME-converted sumti with moi is an extension of the definition for n-moi as n-th.
  3. The second argument of mei is changed with respect to CLL, to make it more useful and more in line with the rest of the system.


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