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Nick's dictionary notes dated April 22, 2001.
Commentary by NN Sept. 2002 in brackets
Gismu - almost done
Cmavo - based on cmavo list; maybe later combo-freq's
[[jbocre: That is, the priority now is to define the cmavo as they appear in the cmavo list -- including such combinations of cmavo as appear there. The notion of exploring which cmavo frequently cooccur as a unit might be considered later for addition as items to be defined. I will add here that not all Lojbanists want lenu included as a separate entry --- I certainly don't.|That is, the priority now is to define the cmavo as they appear in the cmavo list -- including such combinations of cmavo as appear there. The notion of exploring which cmavo frequently cooccur as a unit might be considered later for addition as items to be defined. I will add here that not all Lojbanists want lenu included as a separate entry --- I certainly don't.]]
- Lojban -> English:
- Keyword(s) if appropriate
- Short definition
- [[jbocre: As is now widely acknowledged, the keyword has failed as a definition mechanism, and this is the time for the short prose definition. Not the page-long definition and not for the corpus example, as they belong in the maxi-dictionary, not the mini-dictionary. I currently envisage an upper limit of 200 words. I envisage this being the major intellectual labour of the mini-dict. This will inevitably produce argument; such argument must be veered off the mini-dict and onto the main mailing list, at least until the advent of the Elephant.]]
- Short definition
- Selma'o
- Grammar reference
- First work from L -> E; also JCB; look for other list
- [[jbocre: The issue is, where shall the English to Lojban cmavo entries come from. They should be derived from such keywords as shall be refined from the Lojban to English cmavo definitions; and supplemented to comparable work done in Loglan. I remember mention made of compendia of English function words being looked up as well.]]
- First work from L -> E; also JCB; look for other list
- Words or phrases that might be looked
- Reference to grammar reference
- Lojban equivalent(s) to consider, where appropriate
Plants/Animals
- Proposed Linnaean genus in ablative case
- see Interlingua
- [[jbocre: Referring to my [Borrowing words from Graeco-Latin obbyhorse|Borrowing words from Graeco-Latin obbyhorse]]
Cultural words - fu'ivla
- Countries
- [[jbocre: As featured [jbocre: Cultural fu'ivla here|Cultural fu'ivla here]]
- Languages (> x speakers)
- Others - just samples
Lujvo
- Much weeding - freq, badly illegible word, obvious
- Prioritize
- Look-up usage until sick of it, in priority order
- jbocre: There are identified regular types of lujvo in the version of my paper that appeared as the lujvo chapter in CLL; these should be exploited
- se/te - keywords for other places - DONE
- places - automatic
- keywords - manual
- Place structures
- code "name-like, so not continuing to look"
- verblike - attempt full definitions
- [[jbocre: I proposed a distinction between noun-like lujvo, likelier to be used as sumti --- for which it is not a priority to derive place structures, because their places are less likely to be used; and verb-like lujvo, likelier to be used as selbri --- for which it is a priority]]
- verblike - attempt full definitions
- gau, sim, etc. templates, place structures from NSN's rant
- [[jbocre: My riginal lujvo paper] contained more proposed templates on forming place structures than had made it into CLL. These can be exploited]
- gau, sim, etc. templates, place structures from NSN's rant
- Marking for place sureness
- Pre '94 - because complete attempt
- Post '94 - not complete.
- Checked against guidelines.
- [[jbocre: How to eliminate subjectivity and tendentiousness in the place structures to be included? By including typographical indication of the degree of certainty for the structures. I was vociferous that, to get this done, we should concentrate on the first 1 or 2 places wherever possible ("name-like lujvo"), and indicate this so the reader knows that there might be more, trailing places, but only these ones will be made official. "Verb-like lujvo", for which place structures have been fully elaborated, are indicated with a different asterisk or whatever. The source of the lujvo must be noted. The pre 94 lujvo claimed to set all places for any given lujvo; so they won't have expected trailing places. The old lujvo may need to be completely reconsidered, and the voting mechanism on jbovlaste may render moot the indication of provenance = reputability]]
Other
jbocre: Yes, ladies and germs, this was a to-do list I set Lojban Central :-)
- lojbo karni - when level 0 ready
- JL - where from here?
- JL
- Mail Excel worksheet on Robin Lesson topics to Nick's
- People to do Adventure into Lojban
- [[jbocre: My old Adventure game translation. *shrug* presumably someone will want to make a programming project of it; see discussion [jbocre: Lojbanic Software lsewhere|Lojbanic Software lsewhere]]