Talk:tagged termsets
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tagged termsets (Tiki thread #8250)
tagged termsets
Jorge Llambías <[email protected]> · 2009-11-22 17:50 UTC · Tiki post #8250 (reply to #0)
> > Totus asked about the following at the end of chapter 3 > > ciska tetai piro se mi'esku be la xaMAN. bei ge le turni pe le nolraitru ge'u .e le viptru vu'o poi turni ro selje'a ku'o gi le nobli be ro natmi be'o > > "Shouldn't there [be] a {nu'u} in front of {gi}? (CLL Chap[ter] 14, example 11..7)" > > I wasn't really sure. He may very well be right. Both parse, but I'm not sure exactly the difference is semantically (and jbofi'e doesn't handle tagged termsets), so I was wondering if some kind jbocre can help us out here?
"Tagged termsets" or "tagged-term sets"? The former are not grammatical.
Anyway, "nu'u" makes no difference, it's an elidable terminator, and there are two of them, one for each termset:
nu'i ge tecu'u ro selje'a sepi'o lo selyle'u pe ri [nu'u] gi tecu'u
ro natmi bau lo bangu be ri [nu'u]
mu'o mi'e xorxestagged termsets
lagejyspa · 2009-11-22 17:50 UTC · Tiki post #8251 (reply to #8250)
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:34 PM, lagejyspa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Totus asked about the following at the end of chapter 3 >> >> ciska tetai piro se mi'esku be la xaMAN. bei ge le turni pe le nolraitru ge'u .e le viptru vu'o poi turni ro selje'a ku'o gi le nobli be ro natmi be'o >> >> "Shouldn't there [be] a {nu'u} in front of {gi}? (CLL Chap[ter] 14, example 11..7)" >> >> I wasn't really sure. He may very well be right. Both parse, but I'm not sure exactly the difference is semantically (and jbofi'e doesn't handle tagged termsets), so I was wondering if some kind jbocre can help us out here? > > "Tagged termsets" or "tagged-term sets"? The former are not grammatical. > > Anyway, "nu'u" makes no difference, it's an elidable terminator, and > there are two of them, one for each termset: > > nu'i ge tecu'u ro selje'a sepi'o lo selyle'u pe ri [nu'u] gi tecu'u > ro natmi bau lo bangu be ri [nu'u] > > mu'o mi'e xorxes
ki'e
But why then does the CLL not mark the first nu'u as elidible in the
example cited by Andrew? I assumed that the scoping was somehow different between the two versions.
--gejyspatagged termsets
Jorge Llambías <[email protected]> · 2009-11-22 17:50 UTC · Tiki post #8252 (reply to #8250)
<[email protected]> wrote: > > But why then does the CLL not mark the first nu'u as elidible in the > example cited by Andrew? I assumed that the scoping was somehow > different between the two versions.
I assume it's just a typo. In fact the first "nu'u" is more elidable than the second, because "gi" itself always shows the end of the first termset.
mu'o mi'e xorxestagged termsets (Tiki thread #9312)
tagged termsets
lagejyspa · 2009-12-17 15:44 UTC · Tiki post #9312 (reply to #0)
Totus asked about the following at the end of [Esther] chapter 3
ciska tetai piro se mi'esku be la xaMAN. bei ge le turni pe le nolraitru ge'u .e le viptru vu'o poi turni ro selje'a ku'o gi le nobli be ro natmi be'o nu'i ge tecu'u ro selje'a sepi'o lo selyle'u pe ri gi tecu'u ro natmi bau lo bangu be ri
"Shouldn't there be a {nu'u} in front of {gi}? (CLL Chapter 14, example 11..7)"
I wasn't really sure. He may very well be right. Both parse, but I'm not sure exactly the difference is semantically (and jbofi'e doesn't handle tagged termsets), so I was wondering if some kind jbocre can help us out here?
So, anyone willing to answer? It came up again,
--gejyspa
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tagged termsets
Minimiscience · 2009-12-17 16:06 UTC · Tiki post #9315 (reply to #9312)
skamyxatra. > Totus asked about the following at the end of [Esther] chapter 3 ... > So, anyone willing to answer? It came up again .skamyxatra
This was already answered when you asked about this on the WikiDiscuss mailing list two months ago. Since I'm not sure how to link to that list's archives, here are the responses that were given:
Jorge: > "Tagged termsets" or "tagged-term sets"? The former are not grammatical. > > Anyway, "nu'u" makes no difference, it's an elidable terminator, and > there are two of them, one for each termset: > > nu'i ge tecu'u ro selje'a sepi'o lo selyle'u pe ri [nu'u] gi tecu'u > ro natmi bau lo bangu be ri [nu'u]
You replied: > But why then does the CLL not mark the first nu'u as elidible in the > example cited by Andrew? I assumed that the scoping was somehow > different between the two versions.
Jorge replied: > I assume it's just a typo. In fact the first "nu'u" is more elidable > than the second, because "gi" itself always shows the end of the first > termset.
Do you still have any questions?
mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.
-- ko na xalni
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lagejyspa · 2009-12-17 16:13 UTC · Tiki post #9316 (reply to #9312)
> de'i li 17 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Michael Turniansky .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. >> Totus asked about the following at the end of [Esther] chapter 3 > ... >> So, anyone willing to answer? It came up again > .skamyxatra > > This was already answered when you asked about this on the WikiDiscuss mailing > list two months ago. Since I'm not sure how to link to that list's archives, > here are the responses that were given: > > Jorge: >> "Tagged termsets" or "tagged-term sets"? The former are not grammatical. >> >> Anyway, "nu'u" makes no difference, it's an elidable terminator, and >> there are two of them, one for each termset: >> >> nu'i ge tecu'u ro selje'a sepi'o lo selyle'u pe ri [nu'u] gi tecu'u >> ro natmi bau lo bangu be ri [nu'u] > > You replied: >> But why then does the CLL not mark the first nu'u as elidible in the >> example cited by Andrew? I assumed that the scoping was somehow >> different between the two versions. > > Jorge replied: >> I assume it's just a typo. In fact the first "nu'u" is more elidable >> than the second, because "gi" itself always shows the end of the first >> termset. > > Do you still have any questions? > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- > ko na xalni >
Weird, I THOUGHT it had been answered, but I cou;dn't find the
answer.. thanks -gy
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