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the "t" in jetnu and a go'i question
the "t" in jetnu and a go'i question
lukebergen · 2010-02-03 00:14 UTC · Tiki post #9459
I was practicing my lojban the other day when I realized that sometimes I pronounce the "t" as kind of a short stop in the vowel before. A good word for describing this is "jetnu". Is this acceptable? http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu1_1 Or am I being a lazy english speaker and should really say it like: http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu2
Second question: I think I've asked this before but I don't remember ever getting a consistent answer. If I say {mi klama ta .i go'i fe lo zarci} is it believed that I am going to "there which is a store" or "there and also a store (separate things)" or "a store (the {ta} has been replaced by {lo zarci})"? Or is it something else entirely.
Also, if anyone knows off hand of a better site for dropping small files on
the "t" in jetnu and a go'i question
lindarthebard · 2010-02-03 00:14 UTC · Tiki post #9460 · reply to Tiki post #9459
also, I have no idea how you'd say jetnu without an unfinalised t.
On Fri Jan 8th, 2010 10:45 PM PST Luke Bergen wrote:
>First question: >I was practicing my lojban the other day when I realized that sometimes I >pronounce the "t" as kind of a short stop in the vowel before. A good word >for describing this is "jetnu". >Is this acceptable? http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu1_1 >Or am I being a lazy english speaker and should really say it like: >http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu2 > >Second question: >I think I've asked this before but I don't remember ever getting a >consistent answer. If I say {mi klama ta .i go'i fe lo zarci} is it >believed that I am going to "there which is a store" or "there and also a >store (separate things)" or "a store (the {ta} has been replaced by {lo >zarci})"? Or is it something else entirely. > > >Also, if anyone knows off hand of a better site for dropping small files on >the web I'd love to hear about it.
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PierreAbbat · 2010-02-03 00:14 UTC · Tiki post #9461 · reply to Tiki post #9459
> First question: > I was practicing my lojban the other day when I realized that sometimes I > pronounce the "t" as kind of a short stop in the vowel before. A good word > for describing this is "jetnu". > Is this acceptable? http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu1_1 > Or am I being a lazy english speaker and should really say it like: > http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu2
That brings up a web page, and I don't see where to download the file. I think it is acceptable to do this: 1. say [e] 2. make a dental stop 3. open the back of the nose, keeping the teeth stopped 4. open the tongue at the teeth 5. say [u]. If you release the [t] before starting the [n], that's okay too, but if you release the [b] before starting the [m], you may be misheard as "jubyme".
> Second question: > I think I've asked this before but I don't remember ever getting a > consistent answer. If I say {mi klama ta .i go'i fe lo zarci} is it > believed that I am going to "there which is a store" or "there and also a > store (separate things)" or "a store (the {ta} has been replaced by {lo > zarci})"? Or is it something else entirely.
"ta" has been replaced by "lo zarci". The two sentences together are equivalent to "mi klama ta .i mi klama lo zarci". ("fe" in the second sentence has no effect.)
Pierre
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lukebergen · 2010-02-03 00:14 UTC · Tiki post #9462 · reply to Tiki post #9459
don't know enough about IPA/speech to know if the 5 step process that you gave, Pierre, is what I'm doing. I'll continue this discussion on jbotcan/sance here: http://jbotcan.org/sance/res/30.html
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Pierre Abbat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Saturday 09 January 2010 01:45:41 Luke Bergen wrote: > > First question: > > I was practicing my lojban the other day when I realized that sometimes I > > pronounce the "t" as kind of a short stop in the vowel before. A good > word > > for describing this is "jetnu". > > Is this acceptable? http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu1_1 > > Or am I being a lazy english speaker and should really say it like: > > http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu2 > > That brings up a web page, and I don't see where to download the file. I > think > it is acceptable to do this: > 1. say [e] > 2. make a dental stop > 3. open the back of the nose, keeping the teeth stopped > 4. open the tongue at the teeth > 5. say [u]. > If you release the [t] before starting the [n], that's okay too, but if you > release the [b] before starting the [m], you may be misheard as "jubyme". > > > Second question: > > I think I've asked this before but I don't remember ever getting a > > consistent answer. If I say {mi klama ta .i go'i fe lo zarci} is it > > believed that I am going to "there which is a store" or "there and also a > > store (separate things)" or "a store (the {ta} has been replaced by {lo > > zarci})"? Or is it something else entirely. > > "ta" has been replaced by "lo zarci". The two sentences together are > equivalent to "mi klama ta .i mi klama lo zarci". ("fe" in the second > sentence has no effect.) > > Pierre > > -- > Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [email protected] > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help. >
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Jorge Llambías <[email protected]> · 2010-02-03 00:14 UTC · Tiki post #9463 · reply to Tiki post #9459
> First question: > I was practicing my lojban the other day when I realized that sometimes I > pronounce the "t" as kind of a short stop in the vowel before. A good word > for describing this is "jetnu". > Is this acceptable? http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu1_1
Sounds fine to me.
> Or am I being a lazy english speaker and should really say it > like: http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu2
I hear "jetsnu" for this one.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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winkerbean · 2010-02-03 00:14 UTC · Tiki post #9464 · reply to Tiki post #9459
with much else in the language, anything unspecified is precisely that: unspecified. So, I think it's okay unless I missed something.
mi'e xuinkrbin.
2010/1/9 Jorge Llambías <[email protected]>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Luke Bergen <[email protected]> wrote: > > First question: > > I was practicing my lojban the other day when I realized that sometimes I > > pronounce the "t" as kind of a short stop in the vowel before. A good > word > > for describing this is "jetnu". > > Is this acceptable? http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu1_1 > > Sounds fine to me. > > > Or am I being a lazy english speaker and should really say it > > like: http://www.filedropper.com/jetnu2 > > I hear "jetsnu" for this one. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [email protected] > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help. >
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