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Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:57 UTC · Tiki post #9206

I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
discuss this with rodo.
First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
possible.
Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
being, which entry method would be better for learners?
1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
2) Individual, i.e.:
Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A traveller
Item:
text: lo se klama
translation: A traveller's origin
Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination
Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled
Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling
3) Both 1 and 2.
Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
person be selected to do all the audio?
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:57 UTC · Tiki post #9207 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson to
provide an example of what the entries would look like.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
> discuss this with rodo.
>
> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
> possible.
>
> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>
> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>
> Item:
> text: klama
> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>
> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>
> Item:
> text: lo klama
> translation: A traveller
>
> Item:
> text: lo se klama
> translation: A traveller's origin
>
> Item:
> text: lo te klama
> translation: A traveller's destination
>
> Item:
> text: lo ve klama
> translation: A route travelled
>
> Item:
> text: lo xe klama
> translation: A method of travelling
>
> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>
> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
> person be selected to do all the audio?
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:57 UTC · Tiki post #9208 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for collaboration,
which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate needs to either be
following me or be enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish to, do one
of those and I'll invite you to collaborate.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>> discuss this with rodo.
>>
>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>> possible.
>>
>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>
>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: klama
>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>
>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo klama
>> translation: A traveller
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo se klama
>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo te klama
>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo ve klama
>> translation: A route travelled
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo xe klama
>> translation: A method of travelling
>>
>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>
>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

baisong · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9210 · reply to Tiki post #9206

I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but I'd
say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a
third side if possible.
As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once they
add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
available for download.
mu'o mi'e ku'us
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>> discuss this with rodo.
>>
>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>> possible.
>>
>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>
>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: klama
>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>
>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo klama
>> translation: A traveller
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo se klama
>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo te klama
>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo ve klama
>> translation: A route travelled
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo xe klama
>> translation: A method of travelling
>>
>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>
>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9211 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: http://smart.fm/goals/179543On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for collaboration,
> which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate needs to either be
> following me or be enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish to, do one
> of those and I'll invite you to collaborate.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>>> discuss this with rodo.
>>>
>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>>
>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: klama
>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>>
>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo klama
>>> translation: A traveller
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo se klama
>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo te klama
>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo ve klama
>>> translation: A route travelled
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo xe klama
>>> translation: A method of travelling
>>>
>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>>
>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9212 · reply to Tiki post #9206

So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of the
1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but I'd
> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a
> third side if possible.
>
> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once they
> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> available for download.
>
> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>>> discuss this with rodo.
>>>
>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>>
>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: klama
>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>>
>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo klama
>>> translation: A traveller
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo se klama
>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo te klama
>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo ve klama
>>> translation: A route travelled
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo xe klama
>>> translation: A method of travelling
>>>
>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>>
>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

Eppcott · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9217 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
>
> And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
> fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of the
> 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but I'd
>> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
>> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a
>> third side if possible.
>>
>> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once they
>> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
>> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
>> available for download.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
>>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>>>> discuss this with rodo.
>>>>
>>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
>>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>>>
>>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: klama
>>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>>>
>>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo klama
>>>> translation: A traveller
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo se klama
>>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo te klama
>>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo ve klama
>>>> translation: A route travelled
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo xe klama
>>>> translation: A method of travelling
>>>>
>>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9218 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
klama
lo klama
lo se klama
lo te klama
lo ve klama
lo xe klama
And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the gismu
that don't have those places.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
> >
> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of
> the
> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but
> I'd
> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on
> a
> >> third side if possible.
> >>
> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once
> they
> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> >> available for download.
> >>
> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
> lesson
> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
> >>>>
> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
> know it's
> >>>> possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: klama
> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo klama
> >>>> translation: A traveller
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo se klama
> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo te klama
> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo ve klama
> >>>> translation: A route travelled
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo xe klama
> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
> things
> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so
> that
> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
> should one
> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>
> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>
> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> >
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [email protected]
> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9219 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Also, I've had an idea as to the lesson format. Since items can be used in
multiple lessons, it's relatively easy to make one lesson for all three-
which also helps out learners, who could then choose how they want to learn
the gismu.
As such. The current lesson "Lojban gismu", will contain all the items as in
3), and two more lessons created: "Lojban gismu - place structure" would be
as 1), and "Lojban gismu- sumti" would be as 2).
So, 1) all-inclusive = Lojban gismu - place
structure<http://smart.fm/goals/179606-lojban-gismu-place-structure>
2) Individual = Lojban gismu -
sumti<http://smart.fm/goals/179607-lojban-gismu-sumti>
and 3) both = Lojban gismu <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu>
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
>
> Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> klama
> lo klama
> lo se klama
> lo te klama
> lo ve klama
> lo xe klama
>
> And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the gismu
> that don't have those places.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
>> >
>> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
>> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of
>> the
>> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but
>> I'd
>> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
>> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on
>> a
>> >> third side if possible.
>> >>
>> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once
>> they
>> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
>> user-driven
>> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
>> >> available for download.
>> >>
>> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
>> lesson
>> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> [email protected]>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted
>> to
>> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete
>> the
>> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
>> know it's
>> >>>> possible.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
>> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: klama
>> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo se klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo te klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo ve klama
>> >>>> translation: A route travelled
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo xe klama
>> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
>> things
>> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so
>> that
>> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
>> each
>> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
>> should one
>> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>
>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >
>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
>> [email protected]
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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Smart.fm and Lojban

Eppcott · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9220 · reply to Tiki post #9206

My offer is that if you will send me the first few gismu that you will
add, I'll record those. Then if you tell me the next set that you
want, I'll record those. I don't have time to record all the gismu, or
decide for you which ones to start with.
-Matt
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
>
> Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> klama
> lo klama
> lo se klama
> lo te klama
> lo ve klama
> lo xe klama
>
> And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the gismu
> that don't have those places.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
>> >
>> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
>> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of
>> > the
>> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but
>> >> I'd
>> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
>> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on
>> >> a
>> >> third side if possible.
>> >>
>> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once
>> >> they
>> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
>> >> user-driven
>> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
>> >> available for download.
>> >>
>> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
>> >>> lesson
>> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones
>> >>> <[email protected]>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
>> >>>> know it's
>> >>>> possible.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
>> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: klama
>> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo se klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo te klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo ve klama
>> >>>> translation: A route travelled
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo xe klama
>> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
>> >>>> things
>> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
>> >>>> each
>> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
>> >>>> should one
>> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>
>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >
>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [email protected]
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9221 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Ah, I see. I'm going in alphabetical order, as they appear on this
list<http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt>,
so just start from the top and work your way down until you get bored or
otherwise elect to stop. So the first few would be:
bacru    lo bacru    lo se bacru
badna    lo badna    lo se badna
badri    lo badri    lo se badri
bajra    lo bajra    lo se bajra    lo te bajra    lo ve bajra
bakfu    lo bakfu    lo se bakfu    lo te bakfu
bakni    lo bakni    lo se bakni
bakri    lo bakri    lo se bakri    lo te bakri
And so on and so forth, down through the list.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Matt Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My offer is that if you will send me the first few gismu that you will
> add, I'll record those. Then if you tell me the next set that you
> want, I'll record those. I don't have time to record all the gismu, or
> decide for you which ones to start with.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> > se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
> >
> > Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> > klama
> > lo klama
> > lo se klama
> > lo te klama
> > lo ve klama
> > lo xe klama
> >
> > And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the
gismu
> > that don't have those places.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you.
-Eppcott
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
> >> >
> >> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the
simple
> >> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio
of
> >> > the
> >> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm,
but
> >> >> I'd
> >> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all
the
> >> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage
on
> >> >> a
> >> >> third side if possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used
(once
> >> >> they
> >> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
> >> >> user-driven
> >> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> >> >> available for download.
> >> >>
> >> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]
>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
> >> >>> lesson
> >> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones
> >> >>> <[email protected]>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I
wanted
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
> >> >>>> know it's
> >> >>>> possible.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual
items,
> >> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: klama
> >> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo klama
> >> >>>> translation: A traveller
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo se klama
> >> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo te klama
> >> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo ve klama
> >> >>>> translation: A route travelled
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo xe klama
> >> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will
incorrectly
> >> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
> >> >>>> things
> >> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry
so
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
> >> >>>> each
> >> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
> >> >>>> should one
> >> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >> >
> >> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
[email protected]
> >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or
if
> >> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> >
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [email protected]
> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
>


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Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:58 UTC · Tiki post #9222 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Also, you can send them as one continuous file or split them up
individually, or even, if you have Audacity, as an audacity project with
each utterance in it's own channel. The first is less work for me, the
second less for me, and the last somewhere in the middle.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Ah, I see. I'm going in alphabetical order, as they appear on this list<http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt>,
> so just start from the top and work your way down until you get bored or
> otherwise elect to stop. So the first few would be:
>
> bacru    lo bacru    lo se bacru
> badna    lo badna    lo se badna
> badri    lo badri    lo se badri
> bajra    lo bajra    lo se bajra    lo te bajra    lo ve bajra
> bakfu    lo bakfu    lo se bakfu    lo te bakfu
> bakni    lo bakni    lo se bakni
> bakri    lo bakri    lo se bakri    lo te bakri
>
> And so on and so forth, down through the list.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Matt Arnold <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > My offer is that if you will send me the first few gismu that you will
> > add, I'll record those. Then if you tell me the next set that you
> > want, I'll record those. I don't have time to record all the gismu, or
> > decide for you which ones to start with.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> > > se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
> > >
> > > Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> > > klama
> > > lo klama
> > > lo se klama
> > > lo te klama
> > > lo ve klama
> > > lo xe klama
> > >
> > > And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the
> gismu
> > > that don't have those places.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you.
> -Eppcott
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> [email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
> > >> >
> > >> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the
> simple
> > >> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio
> of
> > >> > the
> > >> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm,
> but
> > >> >> I'd
> > >> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all
> the
> > >> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of
> usage on
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> third side if possible.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used
> (once
> > >> >> they
> > >> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
> > >> >> user-driven
> > >> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> > >> >> available for download.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> [email protected]>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
> > >> >>> lesson
> > >> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones
> > >> >>> <[email protected]>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I
> wanted
> > >> >>>> to
> > >> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to
> complete
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I
> do
> > >> >>>> know it's
> > >> >>>> possible.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual
> items,
> > >> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: klama
> > >> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A traveller
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo se klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo te klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo ve klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A route travelled
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo xe klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will
> incorrectly
> > >> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
> > >> >>>> things
> > >> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry
> so
> > >> >>>> that
> > >> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
> > >> >>>> each
> > >> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
> > >> >>>> should one
> > >> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> --
> > >> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >> >
> > >> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
> [email protected]
> > >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/,
> or if
> > >> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >
> > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
> [email protected]
> > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or
> if
> > you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:59 UTC · Tiki post #9253 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo se
badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the lessons,
don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to pronounce them
worngly.
I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
finished before 2011.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson can
> be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two
> have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5
> items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble subscribing
>> to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this one.
>>
>> Leon.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

Arran <[email protected]> · 2009-12-07 08:59 UTC · Tiki post #9255 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>
> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo
> se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
> pronounce them worngly.
>
> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
> finished before 2011.
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson can
>> be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two
>> have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5
>> items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Leon.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:59 UTC · Tiki post #9256 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the gismu
are finished at least.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>
>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo
>> se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>> pronounce them worngly.
>>
>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>> finished before 2011.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson can
>>> be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two
>>> have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5
>>> items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>>>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Leon.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

Arran <[email protected]> · 2009-12-07 08:59 UTC · Tiki post #9257 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
> gismu are finished at least.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>>
>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo
>>> se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>
>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>>> finished before 2011.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>>>>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 08:59 UTC · Tiki post #9258 · reply to Tiki post #9206

What possible reason would I have for doing that?
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
>> gismu are finished at least.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>>>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>>>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>>>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>>>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri
>>>> lo se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>>
>>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>>>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>>>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>>>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>>>> finished before 2011.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on
>>>>>> this mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

Arran <[email protected]> · 2009-12-07 09:00 UTC · Tiki post #9260 · reply to Tiki post #9206

lo to'e mulno
lo to'e se mulno
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> What possible reason would I have for doing that?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
>>> gismu are finished at least.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>>>>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>>>>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>>>>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>>>>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri
>>>>> lo se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>>>>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>>>>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>>>>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>>>>> finished before 2011.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on
>>>>>>> this mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 09:00 UTC · Tiki post #9262 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Again, what possible reason would I have for doing that?
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
> lo to'e mulno
> lo to'e se mulno
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> What possible reason would I have for doing that?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
>>>> gismu are finished at least.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to
>>>>>> baxso, included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for
>>>>>> each of the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as
>>>>>> my butt really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a
>>>>>> break for today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu
>>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri
>>>>>> lo se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>>>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>>>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to
>>>>>> make, either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing
>>>>>> each one in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I
>>>>>> have to do myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to
>>>>>> have this finished before 2011.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on
>>>>>>>> this mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 09:00 UTC · Tiki post #9272 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself. Assuming
that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
Me: bacru - daspo
Eppcott: dasri - kagni
Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
James: pacna - spisa
Sara: spita - zvati
That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a suggestion
of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure that none of
us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as to the amount
of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things a bit.
-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-07 09:00 UTC · Tiki post #9273 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>
> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself. Assuming
> that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
> Me: bacru - daspo
> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
> James: pacna - spisa
> Sara: spita - zvati
>
> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a suggestion
> of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure that none of
> us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as to the amount
> of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things a bit.
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

baisong · 2009-12-14 13:49 UTC · Tiki post #9286 · reply to Tiki post #9206

if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}


On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
> for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
> Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>
>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>> Me: bacru - daspo
>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>> James: pacna - spisa
>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>
>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>> a bit.
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-15 00:00 UTC · Tiki post #9287 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>
> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
>> for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
>> Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>
>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>
>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>> a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

baisong · 2009-12-15 00:58 UTC · Tiki post #9288 · reply to Tiki post #9206

.e
(that means both, right?)
i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production by
someone else?
fe'omi'e .ku'us
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>
>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
>> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
>> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
>> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
>>> for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
>>> Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>
>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>
>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>> a bit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

Smart.fm and Lojban

baisong · 2009-12-15 01:15 UTC · Tiki post #9289 · reply to Tiki post #9206

ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> .e
>
> (that means both, right?)
>
> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production
> by someone else?
>
> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>
>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
>>> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
>>> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
>>> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>
>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>

>

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eyeonus · 2009-12-15 08:33 UTC · Tiki post #9292 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Well, except for the first and last, the list refers to just the audio, so
all the entries of the other ones are available as far as making the entries
is concerned. As far as the audio is concerned, I am unaware of anyone
actually making any so far, other than myself and Matt. and even there the
audio isn't done past my section, so, unless anyone else has complaints,
feel free to work on whatever you want?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> .e
>>
>> (that means both, right?)
>>
>> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production
>> by someone else?
>>
>> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>>
>>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
>>>> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
>>>> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
>>>> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

eyeonus · 2009-12-15 08:38 UTC · Tiki post #9293 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Regarding <.e>: It means "and" for sumti, as in <mi .e do prami la.lojban>,
but I think that go'i would be a better response, as, while <.e> is
understandable within the context, I don't believe it is a grammatical
utterance, while <go'i> in this case would mean "I am talking about doing
audio, making the entries, or both."
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Well, except for the first and last, the list refers to just the audio, so
> all the entries of the other ones are available as far as making the entries
> is concerned. As far as the audio is concerned, I am unaware of anyone
> actually making any so far, other than myself and Matt. and even there the
> audio isn't done past my section, so, unless anyone else has complaints,
> feel free to work on whatever you want?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> .e
>>>
>>> (that means both, right?)
>>>
>>> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production
>>> by someone else?
>>>
>>> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>>>
>>>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first
>>>>> thirty item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds
>>>>> seem to be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the
>>>>> word 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Smart.fm and Lojban

baisong · 2009-12-15 12:07 UTC · Tiki post #9294 · reply to Tiki post #9206

alright, i'm starting from r
...i'll see how far i get in the next hour or so and report back!
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 16:36, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Regarding <.e>: It means "and" for sumti, as in <mi .e do prami la.lojban>,
> but I think that go'i would be a better response, as, while <.e> is
> understandable within the context, I don't believe it is a grammatical
> utterance, while <go'i> in this case would mean "I am talking about doing
> audio, making the entries, or both."
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Well, except for the first and last, the list refers to just the audio, so
>> all the entries of the other ones are available as far as making the entries
>> is concerned. As far as the audio is concerned, I am unaware of anyone
>> actually making any so far, other than myself and Matt. and even there the
>> audio isn't done past my section, so, unless anyone else has complaints,
>> feel free to work on whatever you want?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> .e
>>>>
>>>> (that means both, right?)
>>>>
>>>> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in
>>>> production by someone else?
>>>>
>>>> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first
>>>>>> thirty item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds
>>>>>> seem to be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the
>>>>>> word 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

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Jorge Llambías <[email protected]> · 2009-12-15 12:59 UTC · Tiki post #9295 · reply to Tiki post #9206

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> Regarding <.e>: It means "and" for sumti, as in <mi .e do prami la.lojban>,
> but I think that go'i would be a better response, as, while <.e> is
> understandable within the context, I don't believe it is a grammatical
> utterance,
Actually, it is a grammatical utterance. It is a valid response to a
"ji" question:
A: mi ji do prami la .lojban.
B: .e
>while <go'i> in this case would mean "I am talking about doing
> audio, making the entries, or both."
Without a Lojban version of the question, it's hard to tell.
A: xu do tavla fi lo nu gasnu lo nu sance kei .a lo nu finti lo stecmi
(Are you talking about doing audio and/or making the entries?
B: go'i (Yes, that's what I'm talking about.)
A: pau do tavla fi lo nu gasnu lo nu sance kei ji lo nu finti lo
stecmi (Are you talking about doing audio, or about making the
entries?)
B: .e (Both. I am talking about doing audio and about making the entries.)
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baisong · 2009-12-15 15:10 UTC · Tiki post #9296 · reply to Tiki post #9206

...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a files
(badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al)
But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular
workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all
the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put
them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc
Stats:
unique gismu: 1342
gismu with 1 sumti:71
gismu with 2 sumti:550
gismu with 3 sumti:530
gismu with 4 sumti:167
gismu with 5 sumti:24
entries total:4891
My idea is this lets people do two things:
1) Anyone can help fill out the 3549 English translations of the inverted
sumti forms. For example, fill in the ??? below:
klama =  x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
lo klama = ???
(potential flashcard translation: A traveller)
lo se klama = ???
(potential flashcard translation: A travel destination)
etc.
.
.
.
...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved
english glosses for each gismu's sumti.
2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attach
audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and update the chart
when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn't
display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card.
This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 cards
completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it
could be done in a few months.
.ui ki'e co'o
p.s. I think it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I
have the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly

made... =/

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cmacis · 2009-12-15 16:20 UTC · Tiki post #9297 · reply to Tiki post #9206

I didn't get the instructions. Sorry, but my concentration is shot at the
moment. Could you just write in bullets what I need to do?
James/cmacis
2009/12/15 Oren <[email protected]>
> ...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a files
> (badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al)
>
> But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular
> workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all
> the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put
> them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet:
>
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc
>
> Stats:
> unique gismu: 1342
> gismu with 1 sumti:71
> gismu with 2 sumti:550
> gismu with 3 sumti:530
> gismu with 4 sumti:167
> gismu with 5 sumti:24
> entries total:4891
>
> My idea is this lets people do two things:
>
> 1) Anyone can help fill out the 3549 English translations of the inverted
> sumti forms. For example, fill in the ??? below:
> klama =  x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> lo klama = ???
> (potential flashcard translation: A traveller)
> lo se klama = ???
> (potential flashcard translation: A travel destination)
> etc.
> .
> .
> .
>
> ...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved
> english glosses for each gismu's sumti.
>
> 2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attach
> audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and update the chart
> when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn't
> display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card.
>
> This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 cards
> completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it
> could be done in a few months.
>
> .ui ki'e co'o
>
> p.s. I think it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I
> have the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly
> made... =/

>

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baisong · 2009-12-15 17:02 UTC · Tiki post #9298 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Yea, sorry, I can use English poorly sometimes...

Background:*

A single smart.fm gismu card requires three pieces of information:

  1. the term (either a gismu like {klava} or a gismu inversion like {lo se
  klava}
  2. the definition (plain gismu have them already, inversions need them
  extracted from the gismu definition)
  3. an MP3

I set up the spreadsheet here[1<https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc>], which takes care of step (1). All the gismu and all the inversions are listed there.

How to help, the easy way (no need to register at smart.fm):*

Unless I'm unaware of some resource, step (2) requires that English glosses/definitions be fleshed out for all the sumti (taken from the gismu definitions, see the example in my previous email). So one easy way you can help out without even needing to register at smart.fm is to go to the spreadsheet here<https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc>and fill in blank definitions for entries that have not been uploaded yet.

How to help, the longer way (still no need to register at smart.fm):*

Go to the same spreadsheet, and claim a swath of terms to record mp3s for. Be bold. In the end, mp3 files can be uploaded from your computer or via URL, so feel free to record even if you don't want to upload the files yourself as long as you can send the files or upload them somewhere.

How to help, the awesome way:*

Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how to do it: 1) First register at smart.fm then add the deck[2<http://smart.fm/goals/179543>] as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys> which might speed this part up). 2) Once you can edit the deck (you'll know when a little green (edit) appears under the title), click on "Content" then "+ Add item," fill in the term, definition and mp3 file, hit save and... success. 3) When you've finished uploading, update the spreadsheet.

[1] the complete spreadsheet [ https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc ] [2] the deck [1]

Good luck, and good night! fe'o mi'e .ku'us.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:16, james riley <[email protected]> wrote:

> I didn't get the instructions. Sorry, but my concentration is shot at the > moment. Could you just write in bullets what I need to do? > > James/cmacis > > 2009/12/15 Oren <[email protected]> > > ...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a files >> (badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al) >> >> But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular >> workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all >> the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put >> them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet: >> >> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc >> >> Stats: >> unique gismu: 1342 >> gismu with 1 sumti:71 >> gismu with 2 sumti:550 >> gismu with 3 sumti:530 >> gismu with 4 sumti:167 >> gismu with 5 sumti:24 >> entries total:4891 >> >> My idea is this lets people do two things: >> >> 1) Anyone can help fill out the 3549 English translations of the inverted >> sumti forms. For example, fill in the ??? below: >> klama = x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 >> lo klama = ??? >> (potential flashcard translation: A traveller) >> lo se klama = ??? >> (potential flashcard translation: A travel destination) >> etc. >> . >> . >> . >> >> ...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved >> english glosses for each gismu's sumti. >> >> 2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attach >> audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and update the chart >> when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn't >> display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card. >> >> This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 cards >> completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it >> could be done in a few months. >> >> .ui ki'e co'o >> >> p.s. I think it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I >> have the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly >> made... =/ >> >

>

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Jorge Llambías <[email protected]> · 2009-12-15 18:20 UTC · Tiki post #9300 · reply to Tiki post #9206

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved
> english glosses for each gismu's sumti.
Not exactly LLG-approved, but see:
http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oblique_keywords.txt
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eyeonus · 2009-12-15 20:50 UTC · Tiki post #9302 · reply to Tiki post #9206

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how
> to do it:
> 1) First register at smart.fm then add the deck[2<http://smart.fm/goals/179543>]
> as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can
> also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys> which
> might speed this part up)....
>
Sending me a message in Smart.fm is the only way I know that you want to be
a contributor, so it's not really optional. Unless by "speed up" you mean
"make sure it happens this lifetime".
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eyeonus · 2009-12-15 21:21 UTC · Tiki post #9303 · reply to Tiki post #9206

You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
person that can.
In order to upload audio to an existing entry, you click on edit for that
item. It looks to me like you tried editing them by clicking on the add item
button.
Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how to
do it:
1) First register at smart.fm
then add the deck[2 <http://smart.fm/goals/179543>
] as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can
also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys>
which might speed this part up).
2) Once you can edit the deck (you'll know when a little green (edit)
appears under the title), click on "Content" then "+ Add item," fill in the
term, definition and mp3 file, hit save and... success.
2a) Click on the "My Items" link at the bottom of the page, go to "Created
Items", select the gismu items you created (the ones that are the gismu
alone), click "Add Items to Goal" (the underlined down arrow at the bottom
of the list), and select the Place Structure goal.
2b)Click on the "My Items" link at the bottom of the page, go to "Created
Items", select the sumti items you created (the ones that begin with <lo>),
click "Add Items to Goal" (the underlined down arrow at the bottom of the
list), and select the Sumti goal.
3) When you've finished uploading, update the spreadsheet.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ...Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how
>> to do it:
>> 1) First register at smart.fm then add the deck[2<http://smart.fm/goals/179543>]
>> as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can
>> also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys>which might speed this part up)....
>>
>
> Sending me a message in Smart.fm is the only way I know that you want to be
> a contributor, so it's not really optional. Unless by "speed up" you mean
> "make sure it happens this lifetime".
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

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baisong · 2009-12-16 01:15 UTC · Tiki post #9304 · reply to Tiki post #9206

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
> person that can.
>
I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
don't load whatsoever.

fe'o

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eyeonus · 2009-12-16 20:25 UTC · Tiki post #9309 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>> person that can.
>>
>
> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
> don't load whatsoever.
>
> fe'o
>


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eyeonus · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9391 · reply to Tiki post #9206

So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
this?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>
> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>> person that can.
>>>
>>
>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>> don't load whatsoever.
>>
>> fe'o
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>


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eyeonus · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9390 · reply to Tiki post #9206

So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
this?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>
> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>> person that can.
>>>
>>
>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>> don't load whatsoever.
>>
>> fe'o
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>


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eyeonus · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9392 · reply to Tiki post #9206

I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
questions about them.
Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere in
between?
Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all five?
My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
structures of these gismu are variable.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
> this?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>
>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>>> person that can.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>
>>> fe'o
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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baisong · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9393 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Haha, sorry, yea I'm still here; just been cramming some work in before the
holidays.
...the holidays are here already, aren't they? Yea, I'll get back on it soon
=p.
co'o mi'e .ku'us.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 08:59, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
> this?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>
>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>>> person that can.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>
>>> fe'o
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

>

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PierreAbbat · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9394 · reply to Tiki post #9206

On Thursday 24 December 2009 20:11:38 Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote:
> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
> questions about them.
>
> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>
> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere in
> between?
>
> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
> five?
>
> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
> make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
> structures of these gismu are variable.
I think you should make one entry for each of the five gismu and no sumti 
entries.
Pierre
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Steven Lytle <[email protected]> · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9395 · reply to Tiki post #9206

What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
stevo
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
> questions about them.
>
> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>
> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere in
> between?
>
> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
> five?
>
> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
> make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
> structures of these gismu are variable.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
>> this?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> fe'o
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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>

>

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eyeonus · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9396 · reply to Tiki post #9206

Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
broda          predicate var 1                           1st assignable
variable predicate (*context determines place structure*)
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <[email protected]> wrote:
> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>
> stevo
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
>> questions about them.
>>
>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>>
>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere
>> in between?
>>
>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
>> five?
>>
>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
>> make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
>>> this?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
>>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>> fe'o
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>


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baisong · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9397 · reply to Tiki post #9206

I think you just swap the first and xth place
{ x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 }
{ x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 }
{ x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 }
looks for reference::On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
>
> broda          predicate var 1                           1st assignable
> variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
>> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>>
>> stevo
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
>>> questions about them.
>>>
>>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>>>
>>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere
>>> in between?
>>>
>>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
>>> five?
>>>
>>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to
>>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
>>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
>>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
>>>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you
>>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one--
>>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying
>>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fe'o
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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Eppcott · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9398 · reply to Tiki post #9206

The holidays have been crazy. I'll get to it in January. -Eppcott
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
> this?
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>
>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>>> person that can.
>>>
>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>
>>> fe'o
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>
>
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
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eyeonus · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9400 · reply to Tiki post #9206

That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of
transmission".
But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi
variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set
structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu
can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think you just swap the first and xth place
>
> { x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 }
> { x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 }
> { x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 }
> { x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 }
> { x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 }
>
> ::looks for reference::
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
> >
> > broda          predicate var 1                           1st assignable
> > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
> >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
> >>
> >> stevo
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
> >>> questions about them.
> >>>
> >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
> >>>
> >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or
> somewhere
> >>> in between?
> >>>
> >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
> >>> five?
> >>>
> >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to
> >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the
> place
> >>> structures of these gismu are variable.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> [email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from
> anyone
> >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still
> working on
> >>>> this?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> [email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> [email protected]>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
> >>>>>>> only person that can.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you
> >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the
> new one--
> >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones
> I'm trying
> >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find
> 'delete'
> >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes
> about a
> >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show'
> options
> >>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> fe'o
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>
> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>
> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> >
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [email protected]
> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
>
>


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eyeonus · 2010-02-03 00:13 UTC · Tiki post #9401 · reply to Tiki post #9206

coi.ku'us mi krici le du'u do ba nelci.a'o kei lo mi.o'a cnino mekso vau.ui
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>wrote:
> That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of
> transmission".
>
> But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi
> variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set
> structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu
> can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think you just swap the first and xth place
>>
>> { x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 }
>> { x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 }
>> { x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 }
>> { x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 }
>> { x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 }
>>
>> ::looks for reference::
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
>> >
>> > broda          predicate var 1                           1st assignable
>> > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
>> >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>> >>
>> >> stevo
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> [email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
>> >>> questions about them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>> >>>
>> >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or
>> somewhere
>> >>> in between?
>> >>>
>> >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
>> >>> five?
>> >>>
>> >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to
>> >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the
>> place
>> >>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> [email protected]>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from
>> anyone
>> >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still
>> working on
>> >>>> this?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> [email protected]>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show
>> up.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> [email protected]>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're
>> the
>> >>>>>>> only person that can.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you
>> >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the
>> new one--
>> >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones
>> I'm trying
>> >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find
>> 'delete'
>> >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It
>> takes about a
>> >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show'
>> options
>> >>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> fe'o
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>
>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >
>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
>> [email protected]
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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