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lukebergen · 2009-12-03 12:51 UTC · Tiki post #8762

wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that they

were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"?

Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban?

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> In a message dated 9/7/2009 18:17:36 Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > 1) the main selbri of a bridi must start with the same phoneme that the > previous main selbri ended in (e.g. mi tcidu lo cukta .i do dunli lo gerku) > > > > > In this example it looks like the "du" of "tcidu" was carried over to the > "du" of "dunli". But the last *phoneme *of "tcidu" is "u", not "du", > which is its last syllable. >

> stevo

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PierreAbbat · 2009-12-03 12:48 UTC · Tiki post #8765 · reply to Tiki post #8762

On Monday 07 September 2009 21:37:38 Luke Bergen wrote:

> wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that > they were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"? > > Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban?

I think that the guy who wrote the rules got syllables and phonemes confused. The only brivla that can start with "u" is a type-4 fu'ivla, such as "urdine" (a kind of fungus).

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lukebergen · 2009-12-03 12:48 UTC · Tiki post #8766 · reply to Tiki post #8762

ok, yes, I partially mis-read stevo and partially mis-understood him.

In any event, this discussion (while educational) is avoiding the original topic. Who wants to continue playing the game? Or maybe it could/will just stay in IRC in an informal way (or not)

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Pierre Abbat <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Monday 07 September 2009 21:37:38 Luke Bergen wrote: > > wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that > > they were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"? > > > > Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban? > > I think that the guy who wrote the rules got syllables and phonemes > confused. > The only brivla that can start with "u" is a type-4 fu'ivla, such as > "urdine" > (a kind of fungus). > > Pierre > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [email protected] > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to [email protected] for help. >

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stevo · 2009-12-03 12:48 UTC · Tiki post #8767 · reply to Tiki post #8762

In a message dated 9/7/2009 23:27:45 Eastern Daylight Time,

[email protected] writes:


> In any event, this discussion (while educational) is avoiding the > original topic. Who wants to continue playing the game? Or maybe it could/will > just stay in IRC in an informal way (or not) >

Lojban is the game. All others are distractions. Sorry.

stevo

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stevo · 2009-12-03 12:51 UTC · Tiki post #8763 · reply to Tiki post #8762

In a message dated 9/7/2009 21:42:52 Eastern Daylight Time,

[email protected] writes:


> wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that > they were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"? >

No, how did you get that? Single consonants between vowels belong to the following vowel. So, of course, the syllables of "tcidu" are "tci" and "du". "Klama" is "kla" and "ma". But the final phonemes of each of those gismu are "u" and "a", respectively.

stevo

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Minimiscience · 2009-12-03 12:51 UTC · Tiki post #8764 · reply to Tiki post #8762

de'i li 07 pi'e 09 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.

> wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that they > were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"? > > Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban? .skamyxatra

Firstly, stevo said that "du" is the last syllable of "{tcidu}," while "u" is its last phoneme. (At least, that's how I read it; if he had responded in Lojban instead of English we would know for certain.) Secondly, rules for syllable division are given in section 3.9 of the CLL, yet they are explicitly conventional only.

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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