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lots of questions
lots of questions
lukebergen · 2009-12-03 11:33 UTC · Tiki post #8565
finding it tougher than i was expecting. Here are a few questions that I ran into very quickly.
what is {caku}? I looked in the cll and couldn't find anything about doing "<tense cmavo> ku". Secondly, given that {ko'i} has not been defined yet at this point, the following confuses me: " .i ko'i goi le jundi selkurji cange ...."
I didn't know that you could do "ko'i goi lo prenu". Does this have the same effect as saying "lo prenu goi ko'i"?
- Luke Bergenlots of questions
Jonathan <[email protected]> · 2009-12-03 11:34 UTC · Tiki post #8571 · reply to Tiki post #8565
other than right before the selbri, so:
{caku mi klama le zarci} = "Now I'm going to the store."lots of questions
lukebergen · 2009-12-03 11:34 UTC · Tiki post #8572 · reply to Tiki post #8565
but couldn't find it.
So now I'm just curious about the "ko'i goi lo prenu" thing.
mu'o mi'e pafcribe
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote:
> {ku} is just the terminator for the tense cmavo when it appears somewhere > other than right before the selbri, so: > > {caku mi klama le zarci} = "Now I'm going to the store."
>lots of questions
Jonathan <[email protected]> · 2009-12-03 11:34 UTC · Tiki post #8576 · reply to Tiki post #8565
thing. See here: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#e5d4(Example
5.4)lots of questions
brablonau · 2009-12-03 11:35 UTC · Tiki post #8580 · reply to Tiki post #8565
> I think {ko'i goi lo prenu} and {lo prenu goi ko'i} mean roughly the same > thing. See here: > http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#e5d4(Example > 5.4)
Agreed. The grammar allows both {ko'i goi lo prenu} and {lo prenu goi ko'i}, and the only real difference is word order. Since {lo prenu} is essentially a constant term (as opposed to {ko'i}, which acts like a variable), it is clear which way the assignment is: {lo prenu} is being assigned to {ko'i}.
What gets thorny is when the sumti on BOTH sides of {goi} are members of KOhA, i.e.: {ko'a goi ko'e}. Is this assigning the meaning of {ko'e} to {ko'a}, or assigning the meaning of {ko'a} to {ko'e}?
Somewhere on the wiki there's talk about {goi} performing the equivalent of mathematical unification. That makes sense from a logical perspective. It could even be useful for computers that speak Lojban to each other. But, having to keep track of what members of KOhA have been unified with what is probably more than my human brain could handle. It would be nice to have some convention, perhaps involving {ra'o}, to distinguish between unification and simple assignment.
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lots of questions
lagejyspa · 2009-12-03 11:35 UTC · Tiki post #8583 · reply to Tiki post #8565
> ahh, I see. I thought I remembered reading something like that in the CLL > but couldn't find it. > > So now I'm just curious about the "ko'i goi lo prenu" thing. >
Some points to keep in mind with BB&tPP -- it was my first attempt at
translating, and was written over the course of a year, so even though it's been gone over in great detail by some people since then there are bound to be things that might have been done better. Also, the Berenstains' language can get quite complex. As to "KOhA goi" , I tend to use that order when the value being assigned is, as here, complex and convoluted.
--gejyspa
