Talk:BPFK Section: Tense sumtcita

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Posted by Anonymous on Wed 30 of Mar., 2005 20:49 GMT

>Examples of tu'i Usage >mi surla tu'i le le ckana be fi mi >I am relaxing on my bed.

s/le le/le

{stuzi} is for permanent locations. I would just use {bu'u} here. If the Lojban is meant to suggest that my bed is my permanent location, the English does not capture that.

> mi nelci la lojbo ke plibu taxfu tu'i zoi gy. CafePress gy. > I like the Lojban underpants at Cafepress.

{la}? In any case, if {tu'i} makes sense here, it should supposedly be {pe tu'i}, because it's the site of the underpants, not of the liking, isn't it?

> .i se ki'u bo mi tcidu tu'i lo na jibni be le skami > Therefore, I read somewhere away from the computer.

Again, I would use {bu'u}, unless for some reason we are talking of a permanent reading location.

>Examples of ti'u Usage > >ba'a le sorprekarce cu klama ti'u li pi'e 10 >I expect the bus to arrive at ten past the hour.

Why "arrive"? That would be {tolcliva}. With {klama} it means the bus will be already on its way at 10 past.

>Examples of koi Usage >No non-metalinguistic examples found. Constructed examples follow: >ko cintygau koi le kruvi >Paint inside the lines.

Does that require the painter to be located inside the lines too?

{cintygau} is strange for "to paint" because it doesn't seem to have a place for the painted object.

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arjPosted by arj on Sun 03 of Apr., 2005 11:50 GMT posts: 953

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Jorge Llambas wrote:

>> Examples of tu'i Usage >> mi surla tu'i le le ckana be fi mi >> I am relaxing on my bed. > > s/le le/le

> {stuzi} is for permanent locations. I would just use {bu'u} here. > If the Lojban is meant to suggest that my bed is my > permanent location, the English does not capture that.

Okay. I have removed the example.

>> mi nelci la lojbo ke plibu taxfu tu'i zoi gy. CafePress gy. >> I like the Lojban underpants at Cafepress. > > {la}? > In any case, if {tu'i} makes sense here, it should > supposedly be {pe tu'i}, because it's the site of > the underpants, not of the liking, isn't it?

Okay. {pe} added.

>> .i se ki'u bo mi tcidu tu'i lo na jibni be le skami >> Therefore, I read somewhere away from the computer. > > Again, I would use {bu'u}, unless for some reason we are > talking of a permanent reading location.

Removed.

> >> Examples of ti'u Usage >> >> ba'a le sorprekarce cu klama ti'u li pi'e 10 >> I expect the bus to arrive at ten past the hour. > > Why "arrive"? That would be {tolcliva}. > With {klama} it means the bus will be already on its way > at 10 past.

Because at 10 past it passes by where I am.

>> Examples of koi Usage >> No non-metalinguistic examples found. Constructed examples follow: >> ko cintygau koi le kruvi >> Paint inside the lines. > > Does that require the painter to be located inside the lines too?

I think it doesn't.

> {cintygau} is strange for "to paint" because it doesn't seem > to have a place for the painted object.

Do you have another suggestion for "paint" (agentive)? It doesn't appear in Jbovlaste. Or possibly a wholly new example for {koi}?

-- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Someone near the center of the room raises his hand. "Yes, you near the center," the woman says, pointing to him. "I used to drive nitro-burning ground-pounding six-second funny cars. Is there any chance that I'll be able to shake hands with the devil while I scream through the gates of Hell?" he asks. The woman responds, "I'm afraid that, due to the volume of new immigrants, the devil is unable to personally greet each new arrival." — Michael J. Roberts: Perdition's Flames

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Posted by Anonymous on Sun 03 of Apr., 2005 15:12 GMT

On Sunday 03 April 2005 07:48, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > {cintygau} is strange for "to paint" because it doesn't seem > > to have a place for the painted object. > > Do you have another suggestion for "paint" (agentive)? It doesn't appear > in Jbovlaste. Or possibly a wholly new example for {koi}?

{cintyci'a} (x1 paints x2 on x3 with brush/autc. x4 and paint x5, or something like that) for painting pictures or text, and {cintyxragau} (x1 paints x2 in color x3) for painting the wall or the house.

phma -- Without glasses, I can't even distinguish smells... -Les Perles de la médecine

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Posted by Anonymous on Sun 03 of Apr., 2005 15:32 GMT
On Apr 3, 2005 12:11 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:


> and {cintyxragau} (x1 paints x2 in > color x3) for painting the wall or the house.

Do you mean {cintyskagau}?

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Posted by Anonymous on Sun 03 of Apr., 2005 15:36 GMT

On Sunday 03 April 2005 11:30, Jorge Llambías wrote:

> On Apr 3, 2005 12:11 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:

> > and {cintyxragau} (x1 paints x2 in > > color x3) for painting the wall or the house. > > Do you mean {cintyskagau}?

Yes.

phma -- Sans lunettes, je ne distingue même pas les odeurs... -Les Perles de la médecine

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Posted by Anonymous on Sun 03 of Apr., 2005 15:46 GMT

On Apr 3, 2005 8:48 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > >> ba'a le sorprekarce cu klama ti'u li pi'e 10 > >> I expect the bus to arrive at ten past the hour. > > > > Why "arrive"? That would be {tolcliva}. > > With {klama} it means the bus will be already on its way > > at 10 past. > > Because at 10 past it passes by where I am.

Oh, I see. Then "I expect it to pass by at ten past" would be clearer, but can {klama} mean that? Does {ti'u} give some time point within the whole klama event, or the time of the whole event (seen as a point)?

I have needed "pass by" more than a few time but I never found anything satisfying for it. It has to be something with {pagre} probably, though {pagre} itself gives the wrong impression. perhaps something like {mlagre} for "x1 passes by x2...(plus a whole lot of other places)"?

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rlpowellPosted by rlpowell on Tue 24 of May, 2005 03:18 GMT posts: 14214

In tu'i: See also: se tu'i, te tu'i, but there is no te tu'i.

-Robin

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rlpowellPosted by rlpowell on Tue 24 of May, 2005 15:13 GMT posts: 14214

"mi ba jai catra le nakybakni te ti'u le mumdei"

Surely the jai is unnecessary?

-Robin

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Posted by cmecau on Mon 08 of Aug., 2005 22:40 GMT

>Examples of ti'u Usage > >.iku'i le samseltcana ba spofu ti'u li pavopi'enono >de'i le cabdei vau .oisai >But the network will go down at 14:00 today, argh!

{de'i le cabdei} should be {ca le cabdei}. {de'i} tags a date, {li 2005;05;23 cu detri le cabdei}.

For relative dates, someone proposed a convention like {de'i li ni'u pa} for "yesterday", {de'i li ma'u pa} for "tomorrow", etc. which would give {de'i li ma'u no} for "today", but not {de'i le cabdei}.

> ba'a le sorprekarce cu klama ti'u li pi'e 10 >I expect the bus to arrive at ten past the hour.

s/klama/tolcliva

> Examples of koi Usage > >ko cintygau koi le kruvi >Paint inside the lines.

I think {cintypu'i}. {punji} is the closest thing we have to "x1 applies x2 to x3".

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Posted by Anonymous on Mon 08 of Aug., 2005 22:42 GMT

On 5/24/05, wikidiscuss@lojban.org wrote: > Re: BPFK Section: Tense sumtcita > "mi ba jai catra le nakybakni te ti'u le mumdei" > > Surely the jai is unnecessary?

It is if he's having them killed, not killing them himself.

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rlpowellPosted by rlpowell on Mon 08 of Aug., 2005 22:42 GMT posts: 14214

Words used which are not in jbovlaste:

No definitions found for "nicygau"

No definitions found for "cintygau"

No definitions found for "dotygu'e"

-Robin