Talk:BPFK Section: Nonce Connectives as of 11 Feb 2005
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BPFK Section: Nonce Connectives as of 11 Feb 2005 (Tiki thread #3917)
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rlpowell · 2005-02-13 21:41 UTC · Tiki post #3928 (reply to #3917)
closed? The voting was open for *weeks*.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:36:57PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:46:59 -0800, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > ;za'e (BAhE): Nonce word follows. Forethought nonce-word > > indicator. Indicates that the next word is a nonce creation or > > is nonstandard in some way. For grammatical purposes, "za'e" > > binds with and marks the following word but does not change its > > nature. > [...] > > doi grizis mi tcidu za'e la ralcku > > Grizis, I read what I'll call "The Book". > > This looks to me as if {za'e} applies to {la ralcku}, while the > explanation with its use of "word" would lead me to apply {za'e} > only to {la}... which is correct?
The latter. I'm not cure it matters.
> If {za'e} applies only to {la}, then {ralcku} is not marked, so I > suppose the speaker is saying "I'm using {la}, which usually marks > names, but I'm using that gadri in a non-standard way. This > non-standard gadri will apply to the perfectly-normal brivla > {ralcku}."
Seems like a perfectly acceptable interpretation in this case, yeah. Might have been a bit clearer with za'e one place over, though.
-Robin
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Anonymous · 2005-02-14 07:05 UTC · Tiki post #3943 (reply to #3917)
<[email protected]> wrote: > Again,
Again? I hadn't seen an earlier question from you. (Though in the mean time I have; it was "later" since there were later messages in that conversation, so I came to it later.)
> why didn't you do this *before* the section was voted on and > closed?
Because I didn't feel responsible for it. And I didn't think I was proposing any changes when I asked those questions the other day.
> The voting was open for *weeks*.
I didn't think I had a vote.
mu'o mi'e .filip. --
Philip Newton <[email protected]>BPFK Section: Nonce Connectives as of 11 Feb 2005 (Tiki thread #3918)
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Anonymous · 2005-02-13 18:41 UTC · Tiki post #3918 (reply to #0)
<[email protected]> wrote: > ;za'e (BAhE): Nonce word follows. Forethought nonce-word > indicator. Indicates that the next word is a nonce creation > or is nonstandard in some way. For grammatical purposes, "za'e" > binds with and marks the following word but does not change its > nature. [...] > doi grizis mi tcidu za'e la ralcku > Grizis, I read what I'll call "The Book".
This looks to me as if {za'e} applies to {la ralcku}, while the explanation with its use of "word" would lead me to apply {za'e} only to {la}... which is correct?
If {za'e} applies only to {la}, then {ralcku} is not marked, so I suppose the speaker is saying "I'm using {la}, which usually marks names, but I'm using that gadri in a non-standard way. This non-standard gadri will apply to the perfectly-normal brivla {ralcku}."
mu'o mi'e .filip. --
Philip Newton <[email protected]>
