LLG 2002 Second Board Meeting Minutes

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Provisional until accepted at the 2003 meeting



Time of meeting: November 25, 2003 at 10:36 PM EDT.

The following are the official minutes of the November 25 Board meeting, which is the only meeting that was concluded before June 15 when the member's meeting started. All proxies in the meeting were specified on all votes. The final motion established a transition to an online meeting, which met from shortly after adjournment until June 15. The meeting had been originally called on September 4 to be held on September 24, but it was decided by mutual consent to hammer out the issues in discussion and conduct the formal meeting briefly. Thus, it was more like 11 weeks of discussion leading to the actual votes, though the discussion actually ended around 2 weeks before the formal meeting. Numbers are non-contiguous because the original meeting notice included several topics and issues that did not generate motions.

The meeting of the Board of LLG was called to order 10:36 pm EDT 11/25/2002.

No minutes were read.

Point of procedure: waive reading of motions since they are known (per message on Board list).

Roll call - all represented in person or by proxy:

Charles Hope (xod) - proxy to Nora LeChevalier

John Cowan - proxy to Robert LeChevalier

Shawn Lasseter - proxy to Nora LeChevalier

Nick Nicholas - proxy to Nora LeChevalier

Nora LeChevalier - present

Robert LeChevalier - present

John Clifford (pc) - (resigned)

Only those motions proposed in advance are being addressed.

1A - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

1B - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

1C - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

1D - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

1E - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

1F - moved , seconded , - passed, 4-2

2 - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

4A - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

4B - moved , seconded , - passed, 3-2

5 - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

8 - moved , seconded , - passed, 5-0

12 - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

14 - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

X - moved , seconded , - passed, 4-0

final - moved , seconded , - passed, unanimous

Proxies having expired, the meeting suspended at 10:45 PM EDT 11/25/2002 for

lack of quorum, to be resumed in accordance with the final motion when all

members declare that they are present on the Board mailing list. Here are the

preannounced motions, which are long because they include the full text of the

baseline statement:

To: [email protected]

Subject: llg-board Board motions for Agenda Item 1

(The statement below incorporates all of Nick's comments, as I responded to

them. I never got comments from anyone else.)

1A. I move that the LLG Board approve the publishing of the following

statement as official policy of LLG on the Lojban List, the Lojban

Beginners List, and the Lojban Announcement List, on the lojban.org

website, subject to approval of an informal referendum [clarification:

informal in that voting is not restricted to voting members of LLG].

1B. I move that in publishing that statement of policy, that there be a

referendum of support for the policy as described in the announcement,

conducted by poll and email as described in the statement, with a polling

period of 10 days.

1C. I move that Nick Nicholas be appointed Chair of The Lojban Language

Design Commission, responsible to implement the policy expressed in the

following statement, and especially to complete the lexicon definition work

needed to publish a Lojban baseline dictionary, and to report to the Board

on a monthly basis on the commission's progress. Nick's appointment is not

conditional on the referendum results, and may start organizational work

immediately, and is encouraged to issue public statements on his proposed


1D. I move that the Language Design Commission be permitted to issue errata

to existing baseline documents under conditions of consensus as described

in the policy.

1E. I move that the Language Design Commission be open to volunteer

membership by anyone who believes that they have some skill in the

language, who is willing to be an active participant, and who agrees with

the goals of the commission specified in the policy statement. If the

Commission Chair feels that a volunteer member is failing to fulfill the

responsibilities of a Commission member as defined by the Chair, or if the

volunteer is regularly impeding the achievement of consensus in a manner

that the Chair feels is obstructing fulfillment of the goals of the

Commission, the Chair may ask the volunteer to resign or may ask the Board

to remove the volunteer from the Commission.

1F. I move that the President contact The Loglan Institute, Inc.

informally, to indicate that a representative of that organization is

welcome to participate in the Commission activities under the same

conditions as other volunteers. [clarification: this has been removed from

the policy statement and will be handled privately]


Because of questions that arose on Lojban List and in other discussions

regarding the nature and status of the Lojban baseline, the LLG Board of

Directors has examined the topic in light of what has been said in the

past. We discovered to our chagrin that prior statements, and indeed the

official baseline announcement, were to some extent contradictory. Rather

than trying to sort out what we meant in prior statements, it has been

decided to issue a new statement of LLG policy on the baseline and freeze

to supplant all prior statements, and to specifically answer questions that

have been raised.

Furthermore, because progress on the dictionary and other critical

endeavors has been stalled for too long, the Board of Directors proposes to

implement a new plan to complete documentation of the baseline language

design as defined by the above policy.

This policy and plan are hereby submitted to the community (not merely the

voting membership of LLG), seeking its mandate of support. Those members

of the community who are subscribers to the yahoogroups edition of Lojban

List will have the option to vote using the Yahoo poll system; those

members of the community who are subscribers to the lojban.org mirror of

Lojban List, and those on the Lojban Beginners List who are not also on

Lojban List, are asked to vote by email submission to [email protected]

This statement specifically supplants the official statement on the

baseline which may be found at


and approved motions regarding the baseline in the 1996 and 1997 annual

meetings, and well as impromptu comments by Bob LeChevalier over the years.


by Robert LeChevalier

President of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

on behalf of the Board of Directors

It has now been 5 years since the publication of The Complete Lojban

Language, by John Cowan and the accompanying baseline of the Lojban grammar.

When that baseline was declared, it was expected that a collection of word

lists would be published shortly thereafter in lieu of a dictionary, that

upon that publication, the documented lexicon would be baselined, and the

combination of lexicon and reference grammar would be frozen for a minimum

of 5 years while language usage grew. That collection of word lists has

not yet been published; our statement, that the language design was

"complete", was therefore premature.

The Board of Directors intends to remedy this situation and reach a

definite ending point for the "design" phase of the language as soon as

possible, with the goal of having the LLG membership declare the language

baseline to be complete at the annual meeting of the LLG in the summer of


Upon that completion, the language design (baseline) will be frozen,

excepting only for the addition of new lujvo, fu'ivla, and cmene, the

experimental use of cmavo within the experimental space, and rafsi fu'ivla

and compounds in accordance with the description in the reference grammar.

The actual baseline and freeze initially will be on the English language

text. Translations of baseline materials to other languages as well as

enhanced English definitions may be added to the baseline at a later date

having been reviewed for consistency; translations need not be literal

translations of the English. Translation of the baseline documents is

encouraged, whether or not the translation is intended to be reviewed for

formal incorporation into the baseline. See the policy below on LLG

support for baseline compliance.

During the baseline freeze, LLG will not consider any change proposals to

the language, and will encourage anyone seeking to have a proposal

considered after the freeze ends, to formally write their proposal up in

Lojban. Any such proposals will be collected in a controlled "wiki" format

and accessible on the lojban.org website, but will not be formally

considered. If errors in the baseline documents are detected during the

baseline period, they shall be similarly documented in Lojban, and may be

formally considered by the appropriate language standard group of the time

(which by default will be the rump form of the commission established below).

The language design freeze will last for a minimum 5 years after its

initial declaration, and may be extended on a year by year basis until such

time as discussion of language problems, and potential changes to fix those

problems, is substantially discussed in Lojban by skilled users of the

language. When that situation is deemed to occur, the question of

maintaining the baseline, or terminating the freeze in the language

prescription will be turned over to the Lojban-using community.


The specific requirement to complete the design phase will be the

preparation for publication of a baseline version of the following: gismu

list with rafsi, cmavo list, a limited number of lujvo (100-500) with place

structures to serve as examples, and if time permits, a sampling of

reviewed and defined fu'ivla borrowings and cmene names, also to serve as


With a rising tide of usage, accompanied by substantive debates about the

logic and semantics of the language, we have learned a lot in the last 5

years. The baseline being assumed, most of these debates have been

resolved as semantic enrichment of the documented grammar and word

lists. But some inconsistencies were noted; some errors were recognized in

the published texts; and some questions arose that were not answered in the

word lists, where those answers are fundamental to the meanings of

words. The new policy endeavors to provide official resolution to these

questions, and to correct noted errors.

Because 5 years have passed, and there has been some usage of the language,

it is appropriate to consider usage and the issues that have arisen, in a

strictly controlled and very conservative review of the design, as part of

the big push to get the last of the documented pieces in place. If this

review results in consensus agreement that certain changes are appropriate,

to be consistent both with actual usage and the engineering goals of the

language, they will be incorporated as part of the discontinuity between

the existing provisional baselines and the actual design baseline covering

the full language.


The Board of Directors intends to commission a review of submitted issues

to be considered as part of the process of preparing the final

baseline. This commission will complete the following tasks:

A. The primary task of the language design commission (banpla fuzykamni)

will be to complete brief definitions of the cmavo. The target date for

this effort shall be 15 May 2003, in order for consideration by the members

at the annual meeting of 2003; if that target date cannot be met, then the

member ratification of the final baseline declaration will be delayed until

the following year. It is intended that this effort shall take priority

over work on other tasks charged to the byfy.

B. The secondary task of the byfy will be to define, with place structures,

between 100 and 500 lujvo including those most frequently used in actual

text. Some portion of these lujvo should be words fitting the patterns of

the jvojva as described in The Complete Lojban Language, and some should be

explicitly chosen as examples of naturalistic or metaphoric lujvo that

cannot be predicted based on jvojva. The format for place structure

definitions will use conventions in the manner of the jvojva examples in

The Complete Lojban Language.

C. The tertiary task of the byfy will be to define with place structures a

small number of example fu'ivla from multiple fields, and to prepare a

small list of validated Lojbanized cmene from a variety of source languages.

D. The final task of the byfy will be to consider other proposals for

justified changes to the various baseline documents based on the following


1. Because all portions of the language (except for the lujvo, fu'ivla and

cmene lists) have been under a preliminary baseline, the status quo is

presumed by default.

2. In the event of inconsistencies, the published printed text of The

Complete Lojban Language, will take precedence by default.

3. The published gismu and cmavo lists will be presumed as valid, by

default. The byfy can choose at its discretion whether to abide by the

intent of earlier language designers or by the strict wording used, and can

add clarification or modify the wording based on its decisions.

4. The byfy will have the power to correct typographical errors, to resolve

contradictions and inconsistencies (including any that are internal to the

reference grammar), and to expand upon the text of word definitions in

order to clarify meaning.

5. If usage has established a pattern clearly inconsistent with the

existing documents, but consistent with the design goals for the language,

the byfy review will have the power to approve changes to the baseline to

reflect that usage. A critical goal is to preserve the fundamental design

goal that Lojban words have a unitary and self-consistent meaning. Thus,

if multiple meanings for a word have emerged in actual Lojban text, the

byfy shall select one meaning, justifying any change from the

default. Usage based on alternate meanings shall not be acknowledged in

the baseline documentation, and are formally discouraged by LLG. Usage

patterns cannot be established on the basis of only one or two individuals,

however prolific; they must represent the practice of a plurality of

competent Lojbanists.

6. If formal logical analysis is inconsistent with either usage or the

documented status quo, the byfy may consider adding a brief note to this


7. Changes will be documented, including the text of the change, the nature

of the change as typo or other correction, expansion of definition,

conflict resolution, elimination of inconsistency, or reflection of usage,

and the rationale justifying the change (including examples of usage). A

collection of multiple related changes (such as typographical corrections),

provided that all are accepted by consensus, may be combined in one change


8. Reflecting the desire of the community for language stability, the byfy

will prefer a position as close as possible to the status quo in case of


9. Changes must be approved by consensus, with specific procedures to

determine consensus decided by the byfy subject to Board of Directors

review. In general, a single objector shall not be presumed to deny

consensus. If the byfy cannot reach a consensus, and the status quo is

unacceptable, the Board will make a decision among alternatives presented

by the byfy after consulting with the community, or may choose to delegate

the decision to another body.

10. Any decision of the byfy which would affect the text of the reference

grammar (including the formal grammar and EBNF in the appendices), shall be

documented as an erratum to that document. When the final baseline is

declared, a complete set of approved errata will be published by LLG, and

insofar as it is possible, LLG will consider producing a set of PDF-form

pages which could be inserted in a copy of the existing book.

If the byfy does not complete its work by the 2003 LLG members meeting,

then the Chair will, as part of that meeting, report on the progress of the

effort and present a revised schedule for completion which will be subject

to ratification by the members.

The Board of Directors appoints Nick Nicholas as Chair of the commission,

to report regularly on the progress of the commission to the Board and LLG

membership, and to have other executive powers as agreed to by the

commission members by consensus.

The Commission will be established by special mailing list at

lojban.org. The Board invites all Lojbanists who believe that they have

demonstrated some skill in using the language to voluntarily participate in

the commission activities. Participation will require being responsive to

requests by the Chair, and being willing to actively seek consensus; level

of participation will be determined by the individuals. If this open

membership becomes unwieldy, or factions develop that are preventing

progress, the Chair will seek a modification of this open membership policy

from the Board, but our stated preference is to be as inclusive as possible

of all Lojbanists who are willing to help in the critical effort of cmavo

list documentation.

Nick Nicholas has some specific intentions to automate the efforts of the

byfy as much as possible, which he will communicate to the community and/or

the byfy members at his discretion. The LLG Board calls on members of the

community with appropriate software and web experience to support his plans

with the highest priority, so as to get the effort off to a rapid

start. He has agreed that if the automation he desires is not in place by

a date specific (within 3 months) that he will communicate, that the

documentation effort will proceed manually, or with whatever limited tools

are available at that point.

The Board of Directors calls upon the webmaster of lojban.org to provide

software, mailing list, and web support for the byfy and its activities, as

requested by the Chair, and to coordinate volunteers who are providing

software and web design. The byfy shall be an official committee of LLG,

as documented on the appropriate web page.


Because the Lojban community that has emerged comes from a variety of

language backgrounds, and because different members of the community have

their own goals and priorities for use of the language, LLG must establish

a baseline compliance policy that respects the rights of individuals using

the language, one which is not too heavily tied to the necessary reliance

on English in the original language documentation.

LLG formally reiterates that the Lojban language design is in the public

domain, and any person has the right to use the language in any way he

wishes, towards any goals. On the other hand, LLG must strongly encourage

people to adhere to the baseline as defined, in the interest of unity of

the language community.

Following the formal declaration of the baseline, the LLG Board will assign

a committee, probably a rump form of the byfy, with the task of supporting

baseline compliance. Any person or group who creates a text in Lojban, or

who writes or translates language description materials or language

teaching materials in any language, may submit that effort to the committee

for review; the committee may also choose to review an effort on its own

without formal submission.

In the long term, this committee should become an independent entity not

under the jurisdiction of the LLG Board or membership, although the Board

or members might retain the right of consent to proposed members of this

committee. The implementation of this independence should await the

capability of fluent language communication on all matters regarding the

language, since discussion in Lojban should be a fundamental principle for

the operation of such an independent standard entity.

The purpose of this review will be to assign one of the following levels of

declared compliance with the baseline:

I. Baseline-Standard

This standard will be reserved for texts and materials that have

been certified to be compliant with the existing baseline by multiple

people recognized to be skilled in the language, and then approved by the

LLG Board or its delegated committee to be officially incorporated in the

baseline standard.

An example might be an official dictionary prepared from the

baseline word lists, or translations of baseline materials into languages

for which we have several fluent speakers among the skilled Lojban community.

All materials that are part of the baseline standard will be set

aside on the official web site in a manner clearly distinguishable from

other materials.

II. Baseline-Compliant

This standard will be for texts and materials that have been

certified to be compliant with the existing baseline, but which cannot be

declared standard either because

a. the material is in a language such that there are insufficient

reviewers who competent in both Lojban and the target language to certify

the highest level of compliance;

b. the text, while thoroughly reviewed, is of a nature not

appropriate to serve as a language standard;

c. the text, while thoroughly reviewed, includes material

extraneous to the baseline (such as experimental cmavo or speculative

usages) that the committee does not wish to become a standard for the

language by assigning the highest level of approval.

An example of the first sort would be translations of the gismu

list or other documents into a language for which we cannot get multiple

fluent speakers skilled in Lojban to review it, but at least one skilled

Lojbanist reviewed it beside the original author/translator.

An example of the second sort would be a significant translation

or writing piece in Lojban, which has been certified as compliant by

multiple reviewers, but because it is a translation and/or a work of

literature, does not actually define a standard for others to

follow. Because we have decided not to have a baseline-standard textbook

at this point, the textbook by Nick Nicholas and Robin Turner fits this


An example of the third sort might be the Proposed Interpretive

Conventions page on the wiki.

III. LLG-Approved Author/Editor

This standard indicates that the work has been written or edited

by someone recognized by the compliance committee as skilled enough in

Lojban to perform the task, with the author/editor indicating his own level

of compliance with the baseline as part of the work. This allows for works

where we have no capability for independent certification, and also

recognizes that a certain level of competence in the language provides its

own authority. Experimental usages and non-compliant dialects can be

tolerated, but the author/editor must explicitly note that the work is not

baseline compliant (and preferably will indicate which usages are not


Ju'i Lobypli and other LLG publications shall be produced to this

standard of compliance, with the editor being approved to serve as the

compliance authority or delegating that authority to others as she/he sees


IV. LLG-Sanctioned

This standard is reserved for efforts such as the Lojban wiki, and

jboske discussions, where LLG wishes to encourage public activity in and

about Lojban, but where the editor/author, project director, or

contributors do not wish to guarantee or enforce baseline compliance.

V. LLG-Accepted Non-Compliant

This standard is for works known by the author/editor, or

determined by the compliance committee, to not comply with the baseline,

but which provide substantial and helpful assistance to Lojbanists. This

provides recognition and respect to useful works, while warning users to

beware of errant usages. The two versions of the draft textbook, having

obsolete and therefore incorrect information in them, would fit in this

category in their current form. Writings of language inventor James Cooke

Brown, written in and about other versions of Loglan, would also fit this



There has been confusion over these terms in the past, which are mostly

resolved by setting forth this new policy. However, in the event that

confusion again arises, these terms are more explicitly defined and


A language "baseline" is a snapshot of a portion or all of the language

design as documented at a particular point in time. Baselines are declared

so that everyone has a single image of what the standard for the language

is, for purposes of discussion and usage. While we might like all usage to

be compliant with the baseline, usage will inherently involve some trial

experimentation, and in any event people learning the language will not

always write in a manner consistent with the formal language description.

Baselines are not necessarily "frozen", but are changed only under formal

procedures with all changes being documented. A "freeze" is when the

organization managing the baseline commits itself for a period of time

wherein it will not consider such changes because of the need for an

extended period of stability in the baseline. Most of the language design

has been under such a freeze for approximately the last 5 years, but people

have been unable or unwilling to work on completing the documentation of a

baseline lexicon under the freeze conditions. The efforts of the byfy

described above will necessarily amount to a lifting of the freeze to

ensure consistency among all the baseline materials, but any changes to

existing baseline materials will be documented and justified, so baseline

practices will continue. After the baseline is declared complete, a new

freeze will then be imposed.


The following material from the 1997 baseline declaration is reiterated in

the current statement, with a couple of notes as indicated. These

statements apply after the language baseline is declared complete and the

freeze is again imposed.

>LLG will actively seek to expand the Lojban user community, and will

>encourage that community to actively use the language. That use will

>likely result in enormous growth of the lexicon using the highly

>productive methods designed into the language. In addition, usage may

>resolve hitherto undecided issues, and may bring to light and resolve

>other issues not yet identified. This growth and evolution will take

>place informally, and without any restraints from LLG, in the manner of

>natural language evolution.


>Presuming that an active community forms, further language evolution

>will NOT take place by prescriptive changes produced by the Lojban


>LLG's long-term role will be to promote the language and to serve a

>research and description function in analyzing how Lojban speakers

>actually use the language.





>Design points not covered in the reference grammar and/or the dictionary

>are intended to be resolved by actual usage, preferably by skilled

>speakers of the language. LLG may report on such usage when questions

>arise, but will not rule prescriptively on whether the usage is

>"correct" or not. If a usage occurs in natural communication and it is

>comprehended and accepted by other Lojbanists, then the usage is de

>facto "valid".


>Some Lojban supporters have asked that LLG make specific plans for a

>language review following the 5 year period, that it establish a

>committee and/or plan a formal procedure for proposing and discussing

>proposals during that period for consideration and implementation

>following the period. The LLG Board of Directors believes that this is

>contrary to the intended purpose of the baseline and freeze, which is to

>turn over the language to the users of the language, and to remove LLG

>from ANY prescriptive role which constrains the natural evolution of the



>LLG makes the commitment, however, that should it ever decide to

>establish any such procedures after the 5 year period, that all

>discussions of possible changes will occur solely in the Lojban

>language, ensuring that only actual users of Lojban will participate in

>any decision process.


>Editors of publications sponsored by LLG shall have their own discretion

>to accept or reject or edit Lojban text according to their own criteria,

>which may include conformance with the language prescription. If they

>do so, however, their decisions will be personal, as individual

>Lojbanists using the language, and based on their own competence in the

>language. Editors shall not prescribe language usage on behalf of LLG.

>Similarly, members and officers of LLG ... who are

>actively speaking and using the language, may express opinions about

>Lojban text and issues, but shall do so as Lojban users independent of

>their LLG roles.

Any editor may of course consult with the committee described above for

certifying baseline compliance, in deciding whether a Lojban text conforms

with the language prescription.



>The Lojban design includes language space specifically for trying new

>ideas in language usage. All cmavo (structure-words) of the form "xVV"

>are formally undefined, as are all cmavo-form words formed by adding one

>or more apostrophe and additional vowels onto the currently-used forms

>VV and CVV. There is also a ... concept for a specific subset of

>6 letter fu'ivla (borrowing) space to be used as experimental "fu'ivla

>gismu"; these would have the ability to be compounded into lujvo

>(compounds). The lujvo of course would also be experimental.


>These experimental word forms may be freely used to experiment with new

>usages in actual communication. We intend (but will not enforce) that

>the "xVV" cmavo space be permanently experimental, meaning that if

>Lojban users wish to adopt an experimental usage that has been found

>workable, we urge that they choose a cmavo from the longer undefined

>cmavo space for permanent usage. The very small number of undefined

>cmavo in the regular cmavo space could also be used, but we urge that

>they be reserved only for the most useful, widely accepted, and

>frequently used new ideas.

[Note: the byfy will, as part of the process of documenting the cmavo

list, have the authority to assign meanings to unused cmavo. These

assignments will be for two purposes:

a. If an experimental cmavo has seen significant actual usage by multiple

skilled users of the language during the last 5 years, the byfy may assign

a cmavo in non-experimental space to that usage, recognizing that the usage

is no longer experimental.

b. If multiple conflicting interpretations of the meaning or usage of a

particular cmavo exist, the byfy may select one of these meanings as the

standard one, and assign the other meaning(s) or usage(s) to other unused

cmavo in non-experimental space.

Recognizing that most experimental cmavo in current use have been of the

CVVV form, the byfy will have the authority, if it runs out of unused cmavo

space in implementing a and b above, to move the xVV cmavo space out of the

experimental realm and assign that as well. This however is a more

significant change than merely adding cmavo, and should be thoroughly


Newly assigned cmavo shall utilize only existing selma'o, since a baseline

change to the formal grammar such as would be needed to handle a new

selma'o would require the highest level of justification, and shouldn't be

considered unless a serious error or conflict is identified as part of the

work of the byfy.

We note that there is one case that has been identified where the formal

grammar and the text of the reference grammar conflict in a minor way. The

byfy will have the responsibility to resolve such conflicts. The Board

leaves to the discretion of a consensus of the byfy whether to consider

additional grammar rules that are consistent with usage and with design

goals, do not conflict with any existing standard, and can be successfully

YACCed, such as the ongoing discussion of ka'enai; a new official parser

must be created if any changes are approved (additional cmavo assignments

will require a new parser as well). The requirement for consensus and full

documentation will make such changes difficult enough that the Board does

not fear that any changes approved will be excessive or unwarranted.]

Experimental usages will not appear in the baseline lexicon. The editor of

the official dictionary publication will have the discretion to include an

appendix documenting experiments that have seen significant usage, noting

the fact that these experiments are not officially approved.

>Likewise, user additions to the regular 5-letter gismu forms are

>discouraged but no ban will be enforced. LLG intends to independently

>verify any user-added gismu for consistency with the existing

>prescription, and will document deviations descriptively, but will not

>suggest or enforce alterations.


>Lojban allows for unrestricted creation of lujvo compounds and fu'ivla

>borrowings in accordance with rules and conventions discussed in the

>reference grammar. Users are encouraged to coin new words in these

>forms as needed in speech and writing.

[Users are strongly encouraged to provide documentation of such coinages,

with definitions and place structures, when they first use them, so that

their intent is known. Most lujvo and fu'ivla that have been coined during

the last few years have not had such documentation; as such any effort to

add them or document them in dictionary form may assign a meaning or place

structure different than the person who coined the word might have

intended. LLG will provide a means to document such words, accessible via

the lojban.org web site.]

>LLG intends to document new lujvo and fu'ivla that come into use.

>Consistency or conflict with the lujvo-place structure conventions may

>be analyzed, but LLG will not suggest or enforce alteration to match the

>conventions. Recognizing that Type IV fu'ivla are difficult to make

>with assurance of validity, LLG intends to provide a service to

>Lojbanists who wish to verify that a proposed word follows the

>prescription. Individual Lojbanists providing this service on behalf of

>LLG may suggest alterations, but LLG as an organization will not enforce

>any changes.


>People using Lojban are encouraged to send archives of texts to

[email protected]

>This will allow research analysis and documentation of

>Lojban usages in the text. Labelling the text "nopublic" or "not for

>public archive" will restrict the text to archives that will be

>available only to bona fide researchers.

The work of the byfy commission is dependent on having as complete a corpus

of Lojban usages as possible, so please submit any existing texts as early

as possible in order for them to be used.

End of statement.

To: [email protected]

Subject: llg-board Motions for Agenda Items other than 1

Having gotten no comments, I am republishing the motions for consideration,

numbered by agenda item. I'll issue a call for proxies in a couple of


2. I move that the level 0 book be published via POD upon Nick's editorial

release, price to be determined based on the terms of the POD service

used. The specifics of POD will be determined by the president and the POD

committee, with the Board kept informed.

4A. I move that the annual meeting be called for Sunday June 15, 2003 at

6PM EDT, to be held online using IRC or some similar means to more

effectively include non-US Lojbanists. Formal notice of this meeting will

be snail-mailed to all members before May 15, 2003, including a proposed

agenda and any bylaw amendments to be considered at the meeting. This

meeting may be continued over multiple sessions if needed, but if it has

not concluded before July 15, 2003, then it will be adjourned until

Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 2PM EDT, to be conducted in person at LogFest.

4B. I move that LogFest community events and activities be held primarily

at a hotel or public facility to be determined, rather than at a private

residence, on the weekend of July 25-27, 2003.

5. I move that LLG ask Jay Kominek to produce an issue of JL of at least 40

printed pages, appropriate for resuming publication of that journal. On

the basis of this sample JL, the President (who will consult the Board) is

empowered to name Jay as Editor of JL. The target date for republication

will be no later than April 1, 2003 (but can be earlier).

8. I move that LLG establish an honorary "contributing membership", with

annual dues set at US $50, and a sustaining membership, with annual dues

set at US $100; these memberships are independent of voting membership in

LLG, which shall require no monetary contribution, but voting members are

encouraged to obtain honorary memberships as well. Names of honorary

members will be posted on the Lojban web page, and in at least one issue of

JL and LK per year. No other special benefits will be associated at this


12. I move that the standing procedure for LLG operations will be that the

President and other officers shall

consult informally with the full Board via this list, making sure that the

Board has been fully notified and that a majority of the Board has approved

of the decision. If any Board member calls for it, then the Board will

take a formal vote on the matter.

14. I move that LLG produce a new order form reflecting what LLG is

prepared to actually deliver in prompt response to an order, either in

paper or via POD. Such order form will be completed by the end of 2002 and

shall replace other versions on LLG's web site.

X. I move that LLG terminate acceptance of credit card payment, in lieu of

Pay Pal, as of the end of 2002 (in order to reduce expenses).

(final) I move that this meeting be held in continuance indefinitely, using

the llg-board list as its standard medium, with voting on motions recorded

by specific email sent to the list. The Chairman of the meeting shall,

upon deciding that a motion is ready for a vote, shall post the motion,

with all members responding in person or by proxy via the list within 7

days, with the vote being considered valid if all members vote and/or are

present directly or by proxy. If not all members register as present

(whether or not they vote) for purposes of a motion, then the requirement

for 100% quorum and/or proper notice shall not have met.

All members shall state that they are present on the llg-board

list to establish their presence for a quorum. Any member may ask for a

verification at any time that business is being conducted, that all members

remain present, in which case the Chair will call for a response and no

business will be transacted until all members have acknowledged presence.