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 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Test forum
    subject: Test forum
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-10 12:25:24
  post_text:

.i cipra ... .i pamo'o remo'o cimo'o...

This is to test that posting is working on this, the BPFK forum. Please use this particular topic for testing. Your scheduled BPFK will commence shortly.

I am attaching a test poll to this topic, called Test Poll #1 (aptly enough.) (Note, however, that the real polls will be in Twiki, since they allow people to be identified in the votes. No secret ballots in my BPFK, I say...)


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Test forum
    subject:
   username: Anonymous
  post_time: 2003-03-10 15:07:16
  post_text:

I don't see the poll.

Note that I need not log in to post; dunno if that's good or bad.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Test forum
    subject: Poll vanished
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-22 13:30:50
  post_text:

I have no idea where the poll went, because I did make one. But no matter; the polling happens on Twiki.

Open posting here is not a problem. However (despite the putatively collaborative nature of the medium), it's on the BPFK Twiki that I'd like access regulated.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Test forum
    subject: Poll vanished
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-22 14:18:54
  post_text:
Open posting here is not a problem.

True, but on second thought, anonymous posting is potentially a problem. I don't think it too much of an imposition to require posters to log in, whether they are commissioners or not.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Sample Arguments Topic
    subject: Sample Arguments Topic
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-25 12:29:22
  post_text:

Refer to Poll on [1]


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Sample Arguments Topic
    subject: PRO #1
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-25 12:32:24
  post_text:

Here would be an argument for the proposal.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Sample Arguments Topic
    subject: CON #1
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-25 12:33:35
  post_text:

Here would be an argument against the proposal.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Sample Arguments Topic
    subject: Re: CON #1
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-25 12:40:25
  post_text:
Here would be an argument against the proposal.

Oh no you don't! No use of quotes in Arguments threads; arguments must be self-standing, and may refer to preceding arguments only by header. Moderators are free to bump informal posts from the Argument thread to the general thread on the cmavo.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Shepherd Announcements
    subject: Shepherd Announcements
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-27 11:11:55
  post_text:

Shepherds for particular topics and paradigms announced here.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Who's Who
    subject: Who's Who
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-30 10:08:09
  post_text:

The following are members of the BPFK or observers. User names on this board are asterisked.

Commissioners: And Rosta (*And) Arnt Johansen (tsali) (*arj) Jay Kominek (djez) (*jkominek) John Cowan (*JohnCowan) Craig Daniel (kreig) (*kd) Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) (*lojbab) Nick Nicholas (nitcion) (*nitcion) Nora LeChevalier (noras) (*noras) Pierre Abbat (*phma) Robin Powell (camgusmis) (*rlpowell) (xod) (*xod) Jorge Llambias (xorxes) (*xorxes) Jordan de Long (*fracture) Rob Speer (*rab.spir) Mark Shoulson (*clsn) Adam Raizen (*araizen)

Observers: Lionel Vidal (*nessus) Greg Dyke (*greg) Philip Newton (filip) (*pne) John Clifford (pycyn)

(Edited to update]


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Translation into French
    subject: Translation into French
   username: greg
  post_time: 2003-03-30 13:52:20
  post_text:

I know I'm unlikely to be able to find enough time to follow all discussions and vote on every item.

Which is why I've volunteered to translate whatever the result is into French.

At what point do I translate proposals so that I don't suddenly find myself under a pile of work I can't complete?

I've tried to (and to a large extent succeded) understand how the whole process will work. It seems that whole piles of cmavo will have their definitions simultaneously transitionned to "official". If this happens, I'll get snowed under and I won't do what I set out to: Bad!

The obvious way is to translate proposals as soon as they are posted: most of them will be accepted.

My problem is this: will modifications to a proposal be written up as "new" proposals or will they just be changed as time goes by with the only mention of this being a note in the relevant phpbb topic "I changed the proposal to what we talked about".

I'd like to close by asking all eventual shepherds to tell me when they post a proposal: epfl at lojban dot org

mu'o


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Who's Who
    subject:
   username: jkominek
  post_time: 2003-03-31 03:26:20
  post_text:

Wee. I have arrived. So:

Jay Kominek (djez) (*jkominek)


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Translation into French
    subject:
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-31 13:26:00
  post_text:

I commend you for your initiative, Greg (although stay tuned for an offlist request for something else...)

Things do need to go official simultaneously for entire paradigms of cmavo, because their definitions are in so many ways interdependent. This does indeed make your life difficult in this venture. But it is true that (as long as shepherds do their job responsibly) most of the original proposal should survive the process intact.

I don't anticipate reposting the entire proposal again when one facet is voted down; but (a) it *might* be nice to flag changes in the proposal text; (b) the proposals stay on twiki, so they are diff'able.

Hm. Announcements of proposals (and revisions) should go in a thread here on Admin. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Definition Announcements
    subject: Definition Announcements
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-03-31 13:34:53
  post_text:

Here shepherds announce their definitions of cmavo/pardigms, and their revisions to their definitions. Please hyperlink to the definition page(s) in question on the twiki.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Shepherd Announcements
    subject: NAI: Shepherd
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-04-11 23:55:33
  post_text:

Craig Daniel (kd) is the shepherd for the General Negators (NAI) paradigm.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Discussion Forum, please.
    subject: Discussion Forum, please.
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-14 21:13:33
  post_text:

I would like a place to engage in general BPFK discussion. I don't care whether it's e-mail or here or what, and I don't mind setting it up. Just tell me what to do.

Also, I'm wondering if there's a way to get mailed everytime *anyone* posts to any of the boards here.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Who's Who
    subject: Foo
   username: fracture
  post_time: 2003-04-18 23:16:56
  post_text:

Me too.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Discussion Forum, please.
    subject:
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-04-19 10:35:20
  post_text:

I'd have thought this was the place for such discussion (the admin fora in particular). I'd just start a forum and go...

As for email notification: presumably the phpbb mod on http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/catdb.php?cat=6 , Post Notification, should take care of things... (if you have the spare 45 minutes :)


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: policy on proposals/need for shepherds
    subject: policy on proposals/need for shepherds
   username: Anonymous
  post_time: 2003-04-19 13:39:11
  post_text:

Nick said on another forum:

In principle, it is good to fill in the semantics of ga'o like that; that's

exactly what the bpfk is here for. But I must raise a procedural matter.

Popping spontaneous suggestions into bpfk fora is not how the bpfk will be run, because it will end up impossible to follow. The procedure is that a shepherd summarises all existing discussion on the paradigm and makes their proposals, and only *then* do others suggest additions.

Since we don't have shepherds for all topics, and likely won't for some time to come, it would be nice if there were a way for people to note suggestions that fit in an as-yet untreated paradigm. I suggest that requiring such proposals be written up in the format of a limited definition for the construct in question would be adequate.

Thus for example, Pierre suggested a particular usage for mi'i and ga'o. Without shepherding the whole of the intervals paradigm, he could submit a definition for this subset of the paradigm in the proper format and with proper support, and then when a shepherd does take up the topic, part of the job has been done (the shepherd of course could choose to disagree on the definition, but then Pierre's research is still there for people to see.

I don't understand the admin aspects of this collection of tools, so I don't know what if any problems exist in allowing anyone to post a paradigm definition to whereever such things are posted, but I'd like this approach, which is somewhat more piecemeal than taking entire paradigms on at once to be considered.

It seems likely that people will be more willing to take on a piece of a paradigm, say one cmavo at first, rather than an entire paradigm, especially since we don't know how all this will evolve (time-consumption-wise) once things get hot and heavy on multiple fora. Only for some paradigms like the gadri is there clearly a need for a cohesive approach to all of them (and even there, there might be subareas that can be broken off, such as combinations like LE+KOhA which is a more or less distinct issue from the semantics of LE in general).


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: emoticons?
    subject: emoticons?
   username: Anonymous
  post_time: 2003-04-19 13:41:37
  post_text:

We have this funky array of graphic emoticons on the left. Can they be replaced by stylized lojban text emoticons, or at least annotated with the lojban word for them (especially since I don't know what half of them mean)?


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: How do I?
    subject: How do I?
   username: Anonymous
  post_time: 2003-04-19 14:02:51
  post_text:

Being totally inexperienced at this web forum stuff, a couple of How Do I's, which may be bug reports/requests for enhancement.

1. How do I spell check? I type horribly and rely on spellcheckers extensively in email and Usenet. I know spell checking is problematical when there is Lojban text anyway, but proofing is real hard right now (especially since I don't find this font the most readable for large blocks of text - must be because I'm going blind in my old age).

2. When I reply to a message, it does not seem to know to retain the subject. Thus to reply, I have to open a new window and hit the reply button, copy the subject, copy text that I want to quote, and then close the old window. I'm pretty sure this is not supposed to be how it works. But I've told you-all that I'm not use to this stuff.

3. What are "List" and "List=" and "Code" above (the latter might refer to programs, but it isn't clear why they would need to be marked distinctly). FAQ doesn't seem to address this.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Shepherd Announcements
    subject: Shepherd: Intervals
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-04-19 22:54:00
  post_text:

Pierre Abbat (phma) is the shepherd for the Intervals (BIhI GAhO) paradigm.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: emoticons?
    subject:
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-04-19 23:05:10
  post_text:

Not easily (it will take Robin, as webmaster, a fair bit of digging.) Furthermore, it is my executive decision as bpfkj that Robin has rather more pressing duties than this.

In general, any request for feature adds to the infrastructure (and this is one of them) should go to http://www.lojban.org/rt .


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: How do I?
    subject:
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-04-19 23:22:32
  post_text:

(a) I've requested on rt that a spellecheker mod be installed. (Mods are optional add-ins to the phpbb software.) The spellchecker is still in beta, so installing it is at the webmaster's discretion, and it should be used with caution.

(b) You can (as you should know from reading the FAQ and allied documentation) hit the quote button at the top of each post to quote stuff instead. The subject is indeed by default left blank; while there's a mod for this too, in practice the threading is done by topic, and if someone really wants to shift topic they should be moving to a new topic. So the subject doesn't truly matter.

(c) The FAQ mentions BBCode, and those buttons are indeed ways of entering BBCode (just as the B, i, u etc. to their left). The documentation to BBCode is hyperlinked to the left of your screen on the posting form: http://www.lojban.com/bpfk/faq.php?mode=bbcode . I'd be disinclined to use BBCode unless necessary (except for the different colouring of pro and con posts, which I think a necessary courtesy.)


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: policy on proposals/need for shepherds
    subject:
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-04-19 23:29:55
  post_text:

The bpfk forum shall be structured and organised: I will not allow anything to turn it into the morass that is lojbanlist or jboske on a bad day. If people want to proffer definitions outside the auspices of a shepherded, structured argument (and in anticipation of it), I suggest they do the same thing that Lojbanists who have been anticipating bpfk for the past 15 years do: post it on a forum which will be scanned by the shepherd. This may be jboske, lojban list, or the (main) wiki; I think the wiki the most sensible spot at this stage.

People can indeed post whatever they feel like wherever (for now). And I remind you that this is not my intent. I reiterate: I will not allow bpfk to be turned into the morass that is lojbanlist or jboske on a bad day.

If it turns out everyone is scared off by the size of the paradigms, I am happy to revisit the procedures. Any such move is currently premature, however. And quite clearly, decisions on cmavo semantics are so interdependent (witness NAI being dependent on the semantics of CAhA) that it would be a bad idea to cut down the size of paradigms much further: discussions would be forever held up pending what is resolved in other paradigms. Breaking paradigms up is indeed possible, but at the discretion of the shepherd and the chair, once we have reason to believe the topic is too big for one person --- and once we know enough about the topic to know how it should be broken up.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: Auto-notification.
   username: admin
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:04:38
  post_text:

The auto-notification mod has been installed, so theoretically everyone should be notified (via e-mail) when anyone posts here.

This post constitutes a test.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: Testing.
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:08:32
  post_text:

Didn't work. Testing.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: Re: Testing.
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:09:37
  post_text:
Didn't work. Testing. -Robin

More test.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: Re: Testing.
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:15:29
  post_text:
Didn't work. Testing. -Robin

More test.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: Re: Testing.
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:18:17
  post_text:
Didn't work. Testing. -Robin

More test.

-Robin

Still test.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: Re: Auto-notification.
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:20:21
  post_text:
The auto-notification mod has been installed, so theoretically everyone should be notified (via e-mail) when anyone posts here. This post constitutes a test.

Auto-notification is now working, as you're probably aware if you're receiving this via e-mail.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: More Information
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:32:22
  post_text:

You can turn off the auto-notification in your profile; it has been turned on for everyone at this time.

The pertinent option is:

   Always notify me of new posts:
   Sends an email when someone posts a new topic or replys to a topic.

If you turn it off, I strongly suggest turning *ON*:

   Always notify me of replies:
   Sends an e-mail when someone replies to a topic you have posted in.
   This can be changed whenever you post.

And vice versa (i.e. I suggest that those two options always be the opposite of each other, IOW that they XOR to 1 :) ).

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: emoticons?
    subject:
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:34:06
  post_text:

This is unlikely to be done by me in your lifetime. If someone else wants to do it, yay.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: How do I?
    subject:
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:37:49
  post_text:
(a) I've requested on rt that a spellecheker mod be installed. (Mods are optional add-ins to the phpbb software.) The spellchecker is still in beta, so installing it is at the webmaster's discretion, and it should be used with caution.

The webmaster's official response is "Don't hold your breath".

PHPBB mod installs resemble the comfort of a root canal combined with the ease-of-use of programming by dip switch. So I won't be installing any that I can't see a *really* compelling use for.

Yes, I consider the auto-notification to be compelling; if nothing else, *I* needed it.

Again, if someone else wants to take responsibility for it, they are welcome to come talk to me about getting access to the PHPBB directories.

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Test forum
    subject: Re: Poll vanished
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-04-21 16:39:10
  post_text:
Open posting here is not a problem.
True, but on second thought, anonymous posting is potentially a problem. I don't think it too much of an imposition to require posters to log in, whether they are commissioners or not.

OK. Have you figured out a way to allow the one but not the other in the admin settings?

-Robin


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Test forum
    subject: Re: Poll vanished
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-04-27 10:31:10
  post_text:
True, but on second thought, anonymous posting is potentially a problem. I don't think it too much of an imposition to require posters to log in, whether they are commissioners or not.

OK. Have you figured out a way to allow the one but not the other in the admin settings?

-Robin

Done.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: How to search the Corpus
    subject: How to search the Corpus
   username: xod
  post_time: 2003-04-28 15:54:12
  post_text:

The corpus is: translated texts, mailing lists, irc logs, old magazines, and existing websites. What is the best way to word-search all this content?


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: How to search the Corpus
    subject: How to search the Corpus
   username: arj
  post_time: 2003-04-28 16:33:11
  post_text:

As for now, the best way is the lojban.org search page:

http://www.lojban.org/search.html

Unfortunately, this searches through all the content on lojban.org, including word lists, copies of word lists, old copies of word lists, old copies of old word lists, and English texts.

As for the future: Robin the Turk has a Perl script that he used for his English classes, that does concordancing well. If someone speaks Perl good enough to modify it for our purposes, contact me, and I'll send the script.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: So what's easy?
    subject: So what's easy?
   username: rlpowell
  post_time: 2003-05-01 05:23:44
  post_text:

Can someone suggest easy selma'o to work on, please, for the edification of the group in general?

-Robin, who would suggest some here, but is tired.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: So what's easy?
    subject:
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-05-02 15:12:34
  post_text:

My back-of-envelope guess (which should be taken not too seriously):

Ludicrously easy: Nonce Commectives, Linkargs, Scope cmavo, lerfu, Vocatives, Place Structure cmavo, Compass Spatial, Personal pro-sumti, Quotations, Digits, Mathematical Constants, Attitudinal Interrogatives

Easy: Logical Connectives, tense sumtcita, lerfu forming cmavo, lerfu shifts, Intensifiers, Termsets, Reference Regulators, Text Structure cmavo, sumtcita Formants, Subordinators, Logical Variables, Utterance pro-sumti, Grammatical pro-sumti, Numeric selbri, Syntactic Numbers, Subjective Numbers, Gradiated Numbers, Erasures, Evidentials, Attitudial Specifiers, Attitudinal Modifiers, MEX Operators

Moderate: Causation sumtcita, Espistemology sumtcita, Case sumtcita, Relational sumtcita, Quantity sumtcita, Intervals, pro-bridi, Non-logical Connectives, Anaphoric pro-sumti, Abstractors, Aristotelean Abstractors, Numeric Tense, Digressives, Realis Attitudinals, Irrealis Attitudinals, Discursives, Text Structure Discursives, Highlight Discursives, Distance

Hard: MEX, Modal Aspects, Tense, Non-Contact Spatial, Contact Spatial, Directional Spatial, Indirect Referers, brivla negators, General Negators, Tense Interval, Aspect

Run Away: gadri


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Who's Who
    subject: re'i
   username: clsn
  post_time: 2003-05-27 00:12:53
  post_text:

I'm here, I think.

~mark


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject: re: notify
   username: greg
  post_time: 2003-05-29 08:48:29
  post_text:

Could the subject of either the emails or the topics themselves be normalises so that they thread in an email reader?


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Definition Announcements
    subject: Lerfu forming cmavo
   username: arj
  post_time: 2003-05-29 13:12:09
  post_text:

boi Terminates a letteral sequence or a numeral.

bu Combines with the previous word to make a Lojban letteral, provided that it is not one of the quote cmavo (ZO, ZOI, LOhU, LEhU) or one of the erasure cmavo (SI, SA, SU), ZEI, BAhE or FAhO. If the aforementioned previous word is already a letteral, the resulting letteral will not necessarily be the same.

{ce'a} and {zai} are pending a general resolution to the Lojban letteral shift mechanism. {tau}, {lau}, {tei}, and {foi} are still under discussion.

Oops, seems I was too quick doing the first version of this post. It turns out that phpbb polls aren't real polls. Therefore, the issue on {lau} isn't settled after all.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject:
   username: clsn
  post_time: 2003-06-01 22:57:44
  post_text:

I've enabled auto-notification; any thoughts as to why I'm not getting the letters?


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Auto-notification.
    subject:
   username: clsn
  post_time: 2003-06-01 23:02:20
  post_text:

Never mind. I thought I'd checked this; it seems the messages are getting caught by my spam filter.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: emoticons?
    subject: I should be locked up
   username: clsn
  post_time: 2003-06-03 12:21:42
  post_text:

I made a few, as you can now see, since Robin has installed them. I might consider making one or two others. Clearly, there is something wrong with me.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: emoticons?
    subject: Re: I should be locked up
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-06-03 12:39:37
  post_text:
I made a few, as you can now see, since Robin has installed them. I might consider making one or two others. Clearly, there is something wrong with me.

.i do zifre lenu do xaksu ledo temci tai le se cuxna be do .i lenu do gunka tu'a la lojban (to .e le dratu runtybau toi) cu ji'a jai se jinvi su'oda fai ledu'u se xaksu zo'o

And wasn't that syntax straight out of glico Central; I can see why people refuse to learn Klingon using _Hamlet_...


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Shepherd Announcements
    subject:
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-06-05 03:14:03
  post_text:

I've been forgetting to announce shepherds here as well as on the Twiki. Bugger.

Arnt Johansen is the shepherd for lerfu forming cmavo And Rosta is the shepherd for Modal Aspects Nick Nicholas is the shepherd for Directional Spatial Pierre Abbat is the shepherd for Mathematical Constants Jorge Llambias is the shepherd for Distance Jorge Llambias is the shepherd for Aspect

Although I haven't made an official ruling, I am reluctant to allow anyone to be shepherd of more than two topics at a time.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Definition Announcements
    subject: Moratorium
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-06-05 03:16:10
  post_text:

Until the commission has had time to consider Bob LeChevalier's objections to the bpfk undertaking language change before it has completed its descriptive task (and certainly until LeChevalier has presented them here), I declare a moratorium on official votes on the wiki, which would have binding effect. None such have happened yet. Shepherds are still free to write descriptive records, and to conduct informal polls on phpbb.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Definition Announcements
    subject: Re: Moratorium
   username: And
  post_time: 2003-06-05 08:23:49
  post_text:
Until the commission has had time to consider Bob LeChevalier's objections to the bpfk undertaking language change before it has completed its descriptive task (and certainly until LeChevalier has presented them here), I declare a moratorium on official votes on the wiki, which would have binding effect. None such have happened yet. Shepherds are still free to write descriptive records, and to conduct informal polls on phpbb.

Since the results of a vote on one issue will have ramifications for how one votes on others, I agree that all the formal voting should come after all the decisions that culminate in the votes, rather than formal voting on one issue preceding preliminary discussion of some other issue.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Discussion Forum, please.
    subject:
   username: clsn
  post_time: 2003-06-10 09:40:49
  post_text:
I would like a place to engage in general BPFK discussion. I don't care whether it's e-mail or here or what, and I don't mind setting it up. Just tell me what to do.

This may not be precisely the kind of "general discussion" you had in mind, but just FEI (For Everybody's Information), I've created a #BPFK channel on the irc.lojban.org IRC net, if people want to hang out there and maybe talk BPFK stuff without the higher traffic on #lojban.


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Who's Who
    subject: Adam Raizen
   username: nitcion
  post_time: 2003-06-24 11:35:06
  post_text:

In an outrageous oversight, I've forgotten to grant Adam Raizen (araizen) commissioner status. Provided he still wants it as requested on IRC, of course --- and that he responds to me on this message. :-)


 forum_name: Administrative Issues
topic_title: Who's Who
    subject: Re: Adam Raizen
   username: araizen
  post_time: 2003-06-25 10:10:09
  post_text:
In an outrageous oversight, I've forgotten to grant Adam Raizen (araizen) commissioner status. Provided he still wants it as requested on IRC, of course --- and that he responds to me on this message. :-)

Yes, I'm still interested. Thanks.