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Robin's Palm Writings Category: la junypre
'''tags''' are the members of selma'o BAI, CAhA, CUhE, KI, ZI, PU, VA, FAhA, ZEhA, VEhA, VIhA, TAhE and ZAhO, {number ROI} compounds, and certain combinations of all these, possibly modified by members of selma'o NAhE, SE, MOhI, FEhE and NAI. See [[jbocre: Internal grammar of tags|Internal grammar of tags]] for details. Additionally, tags can be created from selbri as {FIhO selbri /FEhU/}.


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'''tags''' express binary relationships. As sumti tcita, they relate a sumti to the rest of the relationship of which the tagged sumti is a term, as selbri tcita they relate a glorked sumti to the rest of the relationship. They can also be used as connectives, in which case they relate one connectand to the other.


* [[Robin's Palm Writings: j|junypre ny pi 1 pi'e 1 mo'o]]
In principle, every tag should be expressible as ''fi'o broda'' for some suitable broda. The x1 of broda is the first argument of the tag, which corresponds to the sumti in sumti tcita, and to the glorked sumti in selbri tcita. For example, the tag {ki'u}, or {fi'o krinu}, tags a sumti that corresponds to the x1 of krinu. Tha tag {ba}, or {fi'o selbalvi}, tags a sumti that corresponds to the x1 of selbalvi.
 
ki'ugi broda gi brode
 
ki'u lo nu broda cu brode
 
lo nu broda cu krinu lo nu brode
 
''because it brodas, it brodes''
 
bagi broda gi brode
 
ba lo nu broda cu brode
 
lo nu broda cu selbalvi lo nu brode
 
''after it brodas, it brodes''
 
ni'agi broda gi brode
 
ni'a lo nu broda cu brode
 
lo nu broda cu selni'a lo nu brode
 
''under where it brodas, it brodes''
 
ka'egi broda gi brode
 
ka'e lo nu broda cu brode
 
lo nu broda cu selcu'i lo nu brode
 
''if it brodas, it could brode''
 
So far so good. Now what happens if we want to use the tag as an afterthought connective? Unfortunately, there is no uniform rule:
 
ki'ugi broda gi brode
 
brode iki'ubo broda
 
bagi broda gi brode
 
broda ibabo brode
 
With BAIs, the first argument follows the afterthought tag, the second argument comes first. With PUs, it is the other way around.
 
It should be noticed that PUs work like the asymmetrical logical connectives:
 
gu broda gi brode
 
broda iju brode
 
However, the more intuitive rule, it seems to me, is the one followed by BAIs. Indeed, I would prefer {gu broda gi brode} to mean {brode iju broda}.
 
Nothing is said in CLL (I think) about other tags as afterthought connectives, but presumably FAhAs at least would behave like PUs:
 
ni'agi broda gi brode
 
broda ini'abo brode
 
''under where it brodas, it brodes''
 
Intuitively I would read the second one the other way around.
 
mi'e [[User:xorxes|xorxes]]
 
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Revision as of 17:14, 4 November 2013

tags are the members of selma'o BAI, CAhA, CUhE, KI, ZI, PU, VA, FAhA, ZEhA, VEhA, VIhA, TAhE and ZAhO, {number ROI} compounds, and certain combinations of all these, possibly modified by members of selma'o NAhE, SE, MOhI, FEhE and NAI. See Internal grammar of tags for details. Additionally, tags can be created from selbri as {FIhO selbri /FEhU/}.

tags express binary relationships. As sumti tcita, they relate a sumti to the rest of the relationship of which the tagged sumti is a term, as selbri tcita they relate a glorked sumti to the rest of the relationship. They can also be used as connectives, in which case they relate one connectand to the other.

In principle, every tag should be expressible as fi'o broda for some suitable broda. The x1 of broda is the first argument of the tag, which corresponds to the sumti in sumti tcita, and to the glorked sumti in selbri tcita. For example, the tag {ki'u}, or {fi'o krinu}, tags a sumti that corresponds to the x1 of krinu. Tha tag {ba}, or {fi'o selbalvi}, tags a sumti that corresponds to the x1 of selbalvi.

ki'ugi broda gi brode

ki'u lo nu broda cu brode

lo nu broda cu krinu lo nu brode

because it brodas, it brodes

bagi broda gi brode

ba lo nu broda cu brode

lo nu broda cu selbalvi lo nu brode

after it brodas, it brodes

ni'agi broda gi brode

ni'a lo nu broda cu brode

lo nu broda cu selni'a lo nu brode

under where it brodas, it brodes

ka'egi broda gi brode

ka'e lo nu broda cu brode

lo nu broda cu selcu'i lo nu brode

if it brodas, it could brode

So far so good. Now what happens if we want to use the tag as an afterthought connective? Unfortunately, there is no uniform rule:

ki'ugi broda gi brode

brode iki'ubo broda

bagi broda gi brode

broda ibabo brode

With BAIs, the first argument follows the afterthought tag, the second argument comes first. With PUs, it is the other way around.

It should be noticed that PUs work like the asymmetrical logical connectives:

gu broda gi brode

broda iju brode

However, the more intuitive rule, it seems to me, is the one followed by BAIs. Indeed, I would prefer {gu broda gi brode} to mean {brode iju broda}.

Nothing is said in CLL (I think) about other tags as afterthought connectives, but presumably FAhAs at least would behave like PUs:

ni'agi broda gi brode

broda ini'abo brode

under where it brodas, it brodes

Intuitively I would read the second one the other way around.

mi'e xorxes


(comments?)