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John Clifford, aka [[jbocre: John Parks-Clifford|John Parks-Clifford]], aka [[jbocre: pc|pc]], aka la [[jbocre: pycyn|pycyn]]., is the former Vice-President of the [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]], used to be the chief logician of [[TLI|TLI]], and is our professional expert on logic. He occasionally writes [[jbocre: record|record]]s to the list giving the final decision on hitherto unsettled points.
Not to sound like '''The Man''' coming down on the little guy, but why on earth is this in the Wiki? I mean, as the title indicates, its ''naljbo''. It would be significantly more appropriate to make your own personal web page somewhere else and provide a link to it. If nothing else, it would be to your benefit to do so to prevent any silly people from coming along and inserting a link to something that isn't associated with [[Michael Helsem ou|Michael Helsem ou]].(And also to prevent someone else from taking away from the significant amount of effort you've put into it.) --[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]


''IMAO, his records are more confusing than the original threads. --[[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]]''
(I didn't create a section just for myself but once it existed i thought i would share these things. But if there are others who object to using space in this way, i will remove them. --m.)


*I completely agree. But the reason he's so hard to understand is that he's not nearly as condescending as he should be; indeed he scores a zero on the condescendingness scale, IMO. If he didn't blithely assume that everybody had the wit to understand him, one would understand ten times more of what he says. -- [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
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His "records" also have the condescending tone of someone describing the antics of children. --[[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay]] (I took out the other tidbit I had here, because I decided in retrospect, it was excessive. I'm sticking to the first part, though.)
It's not my server space, but I was interested rather than miffed by [[le mi naljbo|le mi naljbo]]. Adds to the communityhood of the wiki. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]


Gee, I'm sorry  I missed the rest; this was fascinating. Sorry about the "like" chikdren" part, but, being 30 some years older than most of you and most of that time spent in Loglan/Lojban, you do seem that way to me sometimes -- especially when I see an argument going round for the dozenth time. By the bye, shouldn't someone put up some of those Records for comparison purposes?  pc >|8}
It should at least be ''le naljbo pe la maiky'elsem'' - mine would be le mi naljbo from my point of view, but I would call it something that is not ambiguous. - mi'e. [[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]] (''ba'o zukte mi'e maikl'')


''If you're going to make this kind of personal (and arguably ad hominem) remark, please sign it. --- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]'' done.
mi tugni la'e di'u mi'e and
 
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/6 6533], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/7 7477], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/7 7513], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/7 7940], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/7 7945], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8 8000], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8 8077], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8 8156], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9 9485], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9 9502], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9 9516], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9 9523], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1 10696], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1 10697]
 
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Question for pc: How do termsets and ''naku'' interact? I intend to work it out myself, but I thought you might already know. ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''
 
*Sorry, I haven't thought about that -- let me know what you come up with.
 
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Taught at University of Missouri - St. Louis, 1967 - 2000: Logic (from Informal through Goedel Theory and Non-Standard), Philosophy of Religion (courses so called, also Medieval, Feminist Theology, Mysticism, Occult, and especially Asian)
 
MA in Linguistics (field work on an Indian reservation in India), PhD in Philosophy (tense in language and logic -- scrapped Indian logic when the Sanscritist who knew some logic left) both at UCLA.  Machine Translation project at RAND Corp, 1960-2 (and yes, I wrote Fortan 1 programs then)
 
''Tense and Tense Logic'', ''Dialogic-- the new game of logic'', ''The Putting of the Proof''."Tense Logic and the Logic of Change," "Past and Perfect," "Literal Relevance," "Ends-Means Arguments"
 
TLI: Editor of ''The Loglanist (la loglentan)'' 1976-84, Board Member 1980-4, VP 1980-2, President (but JCB was Chairman of the Board) 1982-4
 
Cook, crocheter and braider, tec reader, student of religion (prepping for comps?)

Latest revision as of 08:19, 30 June 2014

Not to sound like The Man coming down on the little guy, but why on earth is this in the Wiki? I mean, as the title indicates, its naljbo. It would be significantly more appropriate to make your own personal web page somewhere else and provide a link to it. If nothing else, it would be to your benefit to do so to prevent any silly people from coming along and inserting a link to something that isn't associated with Michael Helsem ou.(And also to prevent someone else from taking away from the significant amount of effort you've put into it.) --Jay

(I didn't create a section just for myself but once it existed i thought i would share these things. But if there are others who object to using space in this way, i will remove them. --m.)

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It's not my server space, but I was interested rather than miffed by le mi naljbo. Adds to the communityhood of the wiki. --And Rosta

It should at least be le naljbo pe la maiky'elsem - mine would be le mi naljbo from my point of view, but I would call it something that is not ambiguous. - mi'e. .kreig.daniyl. (ba'o zukte mi'e maikl)

mi tugni la'e di'u mi'e and

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