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== Lojban gotchas, unexpected points to keep in mind ==
==== Welkom ====


*[[jbocre: Leftward Branching tanru Gotcha|Leftward Branching tanru Gotcha]] (e.g. ''lenku cakla ladru'' -- '''bzzt!''')
Van harte welkom op de Nederlandse voorpagina. Momenteel is er op deze site nog niets in het Nederlands te vinden en leiden de links hieronder allemaal naar pagina's in het Engels. Als je dit graag anders zou zien, [http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/accountrequest.html verweeg dan een account aan te vragen] en mee te helpen aan de bouw van de Nederlands site.
*[[jbocre: Inconsistent Gismu Place Structures Gotcha|Inconsistent Gismu Place Structures Gotcha]] (e.g. '' lo tirxrxacinonice [[jbocre: cheetah|cheetah]] cu tirxu fi loi cukla .ije lo xirmrxipotigre [[jbocre: zebra|zebra]] cu xirma fi loi dasri'' -- '''bzzt!''')


* [[jbocre: Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha|Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha]] (e.g. ''lo nanmu noi blabi'' -- '''bzzt!''')
==== Hoe Je Kunt Helpen ====
* [[jbocre: Name Containing Selbri Relativisation Scope Gotcha|Name Containing Selbri Relativisation Scope Gotcha]] (e.g. ''la xunre poi pendo mi'' -- '''bzzt!''')


* [[Obsolete: joiku u necessary after JOI Gotcha|joiku u necessary after JOI Gotcha]] (e.g. ''le ckafi joi le ladru'' -- '''bzzt!''')
*Help met [[jbocre: jbovlaste import: ../needed?lang=en efinities of Benodigde Stemmen lang nl]]. Deze link is nu beschikbaar voor iedere taal, natuurlijke taal of valsi.
* [[jbocre: le broda ku na brode Gotcha|le broda ku na brode Gotcha]]
*Als je nog andere talen dan Nederlands spreekt, help dan alsjeblieft mee aan [[jbocre: jbovlaste import: Front Pages Needed?lang=en enodigde Voorpagina’s lang nl]]. Als je een wikipagina bekijkt, kun je dezelfde pagina in andere talen rechts onder in de hoek vinden.


** This means "Not all of the brodas are brode". To say the more intuitive "(Each of) the broda(s) are not brode", the negation must be "na ku" and follow the le sumti, "le broda ku na ku brode". [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]], 2001/8/6
*Help mee met het [[jbocre: jbovlaste import: adding gismu gloss words?lang=en oevoegen van trefwoorden lang nl]].
* [[jbocre: ''pe'' necessary for ''sumti'' plus (BAI-type modifier) Gotcha|''pe'' necessary for ''sumti'' plus (BAI-type modifier) Gotcha]] (e.g. ''mi pinxydji loi ckafi cau loi ladru'' -- '''bzzt!''')
*Zoek [[jbocre: jbovlaste import: Things that should be in the printed dictionary?lang=en ingen die in het gedrukte woordenboek zouden moeten staan lang nl]].


**Well, ''pe'' or ''be'' actually. AKA (I propose) [[jbocre: I Shot An Elephant In My Pyjamas Gotcha|I Shot An Elephant In My Pyjamas Gotcha]]
==== Terminologie ====
* [[jbocre: White Knight's Song Gotcha|White Knight's Song Gotcha]] (e.g. ''la djan. cmene mi'' -- '''bzzt!''')


* [[jbocre: Goatleg gotcha|Goatleg gotcha]] (e.g. ''vo da tuple lo'e kanba .ije re da tuple lo'e kanba'' -- '''bzzt!''')
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: taxonomy?lang=en axonomie lang nl]]
* [[jbocre: all places equally important gotcha|all places equally important gotcha]]
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: boxing the compass?lang=en et kompas lang nl]]


* [[jbocre: A double negative remains negative gotcha|A double negative remains negative gotcha]] (e.g. ''xu do na remna -- .i mi na go'i'' -- '''bzzt!''')
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: periodic table?lang=en e periodieke tafel lang nl]]
* [[jbocre: Unspeakable rafsi gotcha|Unspeakable rafsi gotcha]] (e.g. ''zo cpi rafsi zo cipni'' --'''bzzt!''')
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: calendar?lang=en alender lang nl]]


* [[jbocre: Negative claims and universals|Negative claims and universals]] (e.g. ''mi claxu lo fipybirka'' --'''bzzt!''')
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: Role Playing Terms?lang=en ole Playing Termimologie lang nl]]
* [[jbocre: Unquotable cmavo compound gotcha|Unquotable cmavo compound gotcha]] (e.g. ''mi nelci lenu mi pilno lu ganai li'u'' --'''bzzt!''')
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: Feynmans Lectures On Computation?lang=en eynman Lezingen Over Berekeningen lang nl]]


* The other [[jbocre: Unquotable cmavo compound Gotcha|Unquotable cmavo compound Gotcha]] (on same page) (e.g. ''ko'a cusku zo go'i .iku'i fo'i cusku zo nago'i'' --'''bzzt!''')
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: Orion's Arm Story Terms?lang=en rion's Arm Verhaal Termen lang nl]]
* [[jbocre: morphology of ng gotcha|morphology of ng gotcha]]


* [[jbocre: Sesame Street kei without ku Gotcha|Sesame Street kei without ku Gotcha]] (e.g. ''lenu tivni la SEsamis.strit. se tcika li ze'' --'''bzzt!''')
==== Handige Gereedschappen  ====
* [[jbocre: long tanru gotcha|long tanru gotcha]]


* [[jbocre: lerfu pro-sumti followed by number gotcha|lerfu pro-sumti followed by number gotcha]] (e.g. ''le gerku goi gy. paroi cmoni'' --'''bzzt!''')
*[http://www.lojban.org/twiki/bin/view/Files/DictionaryCorpusContributions oek] alsjeblieft naar voorbeelden van woorden voor je ze definieert.
* [[jbocre: abstractors with SE and connectives|abstractors with SE and connectives]] (this one's very esoteric)
*Voor hulp bij het formatten van een wikipagina, zie het [http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/help/wikitext.html ikitekst helpbestand].


* [[jbocre: cu needed sometimes when unexpected gotcha|cu needed sometimes when unexpected gotcha]]
==== Meta-discussies ====
* [[jbocre: tense/modal is not equivalent to cu gotcha]]


Before adding something as a gotcha, make sure it really fits the nebulous definition of a "gotcha". Before thinking that your mistake is a gotcha, please consider: Did you just make a typo? Did you just misunderstand a single aspect of the language, or was there some degree of deeper confusion, caused by the interaction of multiple features of the language? This isn't intended to prevent you from adding your gotcha, merely to make you think about more deeply about the nature of what you're reporting, so that this list doesn't simply become an enumeration of all possible mistakes.
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: canonical forms of lujvo?lang=en anonieke vormen van lujvo lang nl]]
 
*[[jbocre: jbovlaste import: collating?lang=en erifiëren lang nl]]
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[[jbocre: Moved, because not really a Gotcha, and already discussed in [jbocre: How to say it in Lojban|How to say it in Lojban]]:]
 
* There is no known, easy way to say what in English is expressed as e.g. "[[jbocre: The 17 tallest men]]".  If you say "le paze clanyrai nanmu", you are actually saying that each of the 17 men are tallest, implying that they are all the same height.  You have to say "The tallest man, and the second to tallest man, and the third tallest man, and the fourth tallest man ..." etc., ad nauseam.
**''I think the complaint overstated, and wish this had been asked of the [[jbocre: mailing list|mailing list]] first. The answers compiled under [[jbocre: The 17 tallest men]] vary, but some of them are reasonably simple, all things considered.'' -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
 
**''Certainly. '''ro lo clani nanmu su'epazemoi''' is very Lojbanic and does not imply that each of them is the tallest. The vast majority of the discussion on that page is about various ways to say "the Nth tallest man" where the fact that N is (at most 17) only complicates matters.'' -- [[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]

Revision as of 16:53, 4 November 2013

Welkom

Van harte welkom op de Nederlandse voorpagina. Momenteel is er op deze site nog niets in het Nederlands te vinden en leiden de links hieronder allemaal naar pagina's in het Engels. Als je dit graag anders zou zien, verweeg dan een account aan te vragen en mee te helpen aan de bouw van de Nederlands site.

Hoe Je Kunt Helpen

Terminologie

Handige Gereedschappen

  • oek alsjeblieft naar voorbeelden van woorden voor je ze definieert.
  • Voor hulp bij het formatten van een wikipagina, zie het ikitekst helpbestand.

Meta-discussies

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