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* '''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/alice.html Alice's Adventures In Wonderland]''' (see also the [http://alis.lojban.org/ newer version] by [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/xorxes xorxes])
 
* '''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/drbible.html The Christian Bible]'''
 
* '''[http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Old+lojban.org+Page+Translations Old lojban.org Page Translations]'''
In [[the Book|the Book]], chapter 10, verse 8.3, p. 225, there is a sentence in which a BAI
 
phrase semantically modifies a tense marker:
 
*le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli ma'i vo'a
 
Since "ma'i vo'a" modifies "mo'iri'u", not the bridi as a whole, it should be
 
"le verba mo'iri'uku pema'i vo'a cadzu le bisli". This, however, is
 
ungrammatical, at least according to [[jbocre: jbofi'e|jbofi'e]]. I propose that a BAI phrase, preceded by "pe", be allowed to modify a tense marker just as it can a sumti. --phma
 
* This seems questionable:  the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi.  The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e [[jbocre: .djorden.|.djorden.]]
 
No change needed here: this [[jbocre: ku|ku]] is elidable. --[[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]]
 
You can use '''jai''' for that.
 
''The change may be desirable anyway, but in this case you can say "le verba cu cadzu le bisli mo'i ri'u vo'a" or "le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli [[jbocre: nau|nau]] vo'a". -- [[jbocre: Adam|Adam]]''

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In the Book, chapter 10, verse 8.3, p. 225, there is a sentence in which a BAI

phrase semantically modifies a tense marker:

  • le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli ma'i vo'a

Since "ma'i vo'a" modifies "mo'iri'u", not the bridi as a whole, it should be

"le verba mo'iri'uku pema'i vo'a cadzu le bisli". This, however, is

ungrammatical, at least according to jbofi'e. I propose that a BAI phrase, preceded by "pe", be allowed to modify a tense marker just as it can a sumti. --phma

  • This seems questionable: the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi. The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e .djorden.

No change needed here: this ku is elidable. --John Cowan

You can use jai for that.

The change may be desirable anyway, but in this case you can say "le verba cu cadzu le bisli mo'i ri'u vo'a" or "le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli nau vo'a". -- Adam