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===  cmavo: lo'e (LE) ===


====  Proposed Defiition ====


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Typical article. Converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression indicates that the individuals that satisfy the selbri typically also satisfy the predicate for which the sumti is an argument. Quantifiers do not have a clear meaning with this gadri.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
====  See Also ====
* {le'e}
* {le}
* {lo}
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* the typical
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
;lo'e glipre cu xabju le fi'ortu'a na.e le gligugde:"The typical English person dwells not in Africa but in England."
;ju'o cu'i mi milxe simsa lo'e makcu prenu:"Perhaps I am a little like the grown-ups."
 
====  Notes ====
 
lu lo'e broda cu brode li'u mintu lu lo ka ce'u brode cu zilfadni lo'i ro broda li'u
 
====  Issues ====
[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/d2bd528b13bede04 Another argument about unicorns.]
 
===  cmavo:le'e (LE) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Stereotypical article. Converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression indicates that the individuals that the speaker describes with the selbri typically satisfy, from the point of view of the speaker, the predicate for which the sumti is an argument. Quantifiers do not have a clear meaning with this gadri.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
====  See Also ====
 
* {le'o}
* {le}
 
* {lo}
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
* the stereotypical
 
==== Usage Examples ====
;le'e xelso merko cu gusta ponse:"Lots of Greek-Americans own restaurants."
;le'e rozgu cu xunre:"Roses are red."
 
====  Notes ====
lu le'e broda cu brode li'u mintu lu pe'i lo ka ce'u brode cu zilfadni le'i broda li'u
 
====  Issues ====
 
=== General Section Issues ===
 
*The contextual definitions of ''lo'e'' and ''le'e'' are given as a starting point towards their formalization, but many questions remain unanswered:
** Negation: Is ''lo'e broda na brode'' equivalent to ''lo ka ce'u na brode cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda'' or  to ''lo ka ce'u brode cu na mutce kampu lo'i ro broda''?
** Expansions: Is ''lo'e broda cu brode gi'e brodi'' equivalent to ''lo ka ce'u brode gi'e brodi cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda'' or  to ''lo ka ce'u brode e lo ka ce'u brodi cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda''?
** Multiple lo'e: Is ''lo'e broda cu brode lo'e brodi'' equivalent to ''lo ka ce'u brode ce'u cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda pi'u lo'i ro brodi'' or to something else?
** Subordination: Is ''lo nu lo'e broda cu brode cu brodi'' equivalent to ''lo ka lo nu ce'u broda cu brode cu mutce kampu lo'i broda'' or to ''lo nu lo ka ce'u brode cu mutce kampu lo'i broda cu brodi''?
** ...  
* Usage convention suggestions
**'''lo'e se''' with the word for a kind of organism can refer to the taxon containing all members of the kind and no others, if that exists. So ''lo'e se guzme'' means the family Cucurbitaceae, while ''lo se guzme'' can be Cucumis, Sicyos, Luffa, or any of several others. ''lo'e se jesymabru'', however, has no clear meaning, as ''jesymabru'' can refer to both spiny anteaters and hedgehogs.

Revision as of 16:45, 4 November 2013

cmavo: lo'e (LE)

Proposed Defiition

Typical article. Converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression indicates that the individuals that satisfy the selbri typically also satisfy the predicate for which the sumti is an argument. Quantifiers do not have a clear meaning with this gadri.

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {le'e}
  • {le}
  • {lo}

Proposed Keywords

  • the typical

Usage Examples

lo'e glipre cu xabju le fi'ortu'a na.e le gligugde
"The typical English person dwells not in Africa but in England."
ju'o cu'i mi milxe simsa lo'e makcu prenu
"Perhaps I am a little like the grown-ups."

Notes

lu lo'e broda cu brode li'u mintu lu lo ka ce'u brode cu zilfadni lo'i ro broda li'u

Issues

Another argument about unicorns.

cmavo:le'e (LE)

Proposed Definition

Stereotypical article. Converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression indicates that the individuals that the speaker describes with the selbri typically satisfy, from the point of view of the speaker, the predicate for which the sumti is an argument. Quantifiers do not have a clear meaning with this gadri.

Proposed Tag

See Also

  • {le'o}
  • {le}
  • {lo}

Proposed Keywords

  • the stereotypical

Usage Examples

le'e xelso merko cu gusta ponse
"Lots of Greek-Americans own restaurants."
le'e rozgu cu xunre
"Roses are red."

Notes

lu le'e broda cu brode li'u mintu lu pe'i lo ka ce'u brode cu zilfadni le'i broda li'u

Issues

General Section Issues

  • The contextual definitions of lo'e and le'e are given as a starting point towards their formalization, but many questions remain unanswered:
    • Negation: Is lo'e broda na brode equivalent to lo ka ce'u na brode cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda or to lo ka ce'u brode cu na mutce kampu lo'i ro broda?
    • Expansions: Is lo'e broda cu brode gi'e brodi equivalent to lo ka ce'u brode gi'e brodi cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda or to lo ka ce'u brode e lo ka ce'u brodi cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda?
    • Multiple lo'e: Is lo'e broda cu brode lo'e brodi equivalent to lo ka ce'u brode ce'u cu mutce kampu lo'i ro broda pi'u lo'i ro brodi or to something else?
    • Subordination: Is lo nu lo'e broda cu brode cu brodi equivalent to lo ka lo nu ce'u broda cu brode cu mutce kampu lo'i broda or to lo nu lo ka ce'u brode cu mutce kampu lo'i broda cu brodi?
    • ...
  • Usage convention suggestions
    • lo'e se with the word for a kind of organism can refer to the taxon containing all members of the kind and no others, if that exists. So lo'e se guzme means the family Cucurbitaceae, while lo se guzme can be Cucumis, Sicyos, Luffa, or any of several others. lo'e se jesymabru, however, has no clear meaning, as jesymabru can refer to both spiny anteaters and hedgehogs.