new-fi'o: Difference between revisions
No edit summary |
No edit summary |
||
Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
{{jbocre/en}} | {{jbocre/en}} | ||
A proposal by [[User:Ctefaho|la | A proposal by [[User:Ctefaho|la Ctefá'o]] to re-define '''[[BPFK Section: sumtcita Formants|fi'o]]''' based on {{jvs|xoi}}: | ||
Line 10: | Line 10: | ||
New Definition: | New Definition: | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
| broda fi'o brode ko'a|| ||broda xoi | | broda fi'o brode ko'a|| ||broda xoi ke'a zo'u ko'a brode | ||
|} | |} | ||
With the experimential new-'''zi'e''' the scope simply becomes that of [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead. | With the experimential new-'''zi'e''' ('''zi'ei''' for conformist alternative) in front of the '''fi'o''', '''{zi'e(i) fi'o broda}''', the scope simply becomes that of [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead. *** A new-zi'e page will be created soon *** | ||
An earlier version of this proposal used '''{broda xoi ke'a fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a}''' as the definition. La Ctefá'o now prefers the zo'u-version instead to allow the broadest, sensical meaning possible. | |||
But in other words, '''fi'o''' is now a short-hand form of '''xoi''' ((new-)'''soi''', with new-'''zi'e'''). If you need to be very specific with how the '''ke'a''' relates inside the '''xoi''', then use '''xoi''' directly instead. | |||
Do not use '''fi'o''' if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from '''ke'a zo'u'''! And if you really do need the '''.i joi''' semantics for something then simply use '''.i joi''' directly instead. | |||
Keep in mind that the '''ke'a''' is '''lo su'u no'a ku''' for both '''xoi''' and '''soi''', if you are not used to them. *** Basic '''"soi vs. xoi"''' TODO *** | |||
In addition, we can now define all the case tags ('''PU''', '''ZAhO''', '''FAhA''', '''BAI''', '''NA''') directly using '''xoi''', instead of using vague '''fi'o'''-definitions! | |||
'''NA''' (ref http://selpahi.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/na-as-tag) | |||
na: | |||
{na broda} -> {na zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e natfe ke'a} | |||
{broda na ko'a} -> {broda xoi ko'a natfe ke'a} | |||
ja'a: | |||
{ja'a broda} -> {ja'a zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e to'e natfe ke'a} | |||
{broda ja'a ko'a} -> {broda xoi ko'a to'e natfe ke'a} | |||
'''PU''' (when used as single case tags only) | |||
pu: {broda pu ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a purci ko'a} | |||
ca: {broda ca ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a cabna ko'a} | |||
ba: {broda ba ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a balvi ko'a} | |||
'''FAhA''' | |||
TODO | |||
'''ZAhO''' | |||
BIG TODO | |||
'''BAI''' | |||
HUGE TODO |
Revision as of 04:11, 22 June 2015
This page contains discussions of experimental/scientific/philosophical/logical aspects of Lojban that are non-official and not for everyday usage. You've been warned. |
A proposal by la Ctefá'o to re-define fi'o based on xoi:
Old Definition
broda fi'o brode ko'a | broda .i joi ko'a brode |
New Definition:
broda fi'o brode ko'a | broda xoi ke'a zo'u ko'a brode |
With the experimential new-zi'e (zi'ei for conformist alternative) in front of the fi'o, {zi'e(i) fi'o broda}, the scope simply becomes that of (new-)soi instead. *** A new-zi'e page will be created soon ***
An earlier version of this proposal used {broda xoi ke'a fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a} as the definition. La Ctefá'o now prefers the zo'u-version instead to allow the broadest, sensical meaning possible.
But in other words, fi'o is now a short-hand form of xoi ((new-)soi, with new-zi'e). If you need to be very specific with how the ke'a relates inside the xoi, then use xoi directly instead. Do not use fi'o if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from ke'a zo'u! And if you really do need the .i joi semantics for something then simply use .i joi directly instead.
Keep in mind that the ke'a is lo su'u no'a ku for both xoi and soi, if you are not used to them. *** Basic "soi vs. xoi" TODO ***
In addition, we can now define all the case tags (PU, ZAhO, FAhA, BAI, NA) directly using xoi, instead of using vague fi'o-definitions!
NA (ref http://selpahi.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/na-as-tag)
na:
{na broda} -> {na zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e natfe ke'a}
{broda na ko'a} -> {broda xoi ko'a natfe ke'a}
ja'a:
{ja'a broda} -> {ja'a zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e to'e natfe ke'a}
{broda ja'a ko'a} -> {broda xoi ko'a to'e natfe ke'a}
PU (when used as single case tags only)
pu: {broda pu ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a purci ko'a}
ca: {broda ca ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a cabna ko'a}
ba: {broda ba ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a balvi ko'a}
FAhA
TODO
ZAhO
BIG TODO
BAI
HUGE TODO