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Frequently questions like, such as "What is a good [[jbocre: lujvo|lujvo]]/[[jbocre: fu'ivla|fu'ivla]] for X?" comes up. This is an attempt to topically organize new answers to that question, and to store a bit of the discussion that goes along with those answers.
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;xei [[jbocre: PA|PA]] hex digit E: because ''rei'' sucks
  
* [[jbocre: Chess terminology|Chess terminology]]
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*Why does ''rei'' suck? -[[User:tsali|tsali]]
* [[jbocre: Computer terminology|Computer terminology]]
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**It's ''re'' with the vowel sound changed to a very similar one. Most of the time in Lojban, ?e and ?ei are distinguishable from context.
  
* [[Business and Economics terminology|Business and Economics terminology]]
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***Hell, how should the two sounds be similar (unless pronounced the English/American way which is not at all standard!)!  {re} has to be pronounced like Italian "re" (king), and (rei) like about English "ray"! No way to be mixed up. '''Please leave your Anglo-Saxon island!'''
* [[jbocre: Geographical terminology|Geographical terminology]]
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**** I differentiate by lengthening the i longer than for most dipthongs - re-i - but it's still one syllable. BTW, I speak English and I've never been to Australia in my life.
  
* [[jbocre: gerna tecyvla|gerna tecyvla]]
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***** .i mi ca xusra noda .u'i -- mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
* [[jbocre: Internet 'slang'|Internet 'slang']]
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****** .i uiru'e u'iru'e .i ku'i na di'u .i do xusra lenu do xusra noda .ija'e do xusra .i mi'e [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]
  
* [[jbocre: Keyboard key names|Keyboard key names]]
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******* .i mi se krasi la kretes. noi ji'a krasi la .epimenides .i ko zgana la'ozy. [http://www.curiouser.co.uk/us/liar.htm] zy.
* [[jbocre: Literary terminology|Literary terminology]]
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******** .i xu do se krasi la kretes. .ianai .i la kretes. cu daplu .i xu do troci lenu xusra lu mi krasi la kretes. li'u .a lu la kretes. se krasi mi li'u
  
* [[jbocre: Logicians' jargon ogical terminology|Logicians' jargon ogical terminology]]
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********* Never mind, I was getting the x1 and x2 of krasi mixed up.
* [[jbocre: Lojban literary forms|Lojban literary forms]]
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****** Much of the discussion of this comment can be found [[jbocre: mi ca xusra noda here|mi ca xusra noda here]]
  
* [[jbocre: Math terminology|Math terminology]]
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**** As an American, in order to make '''[[jbocre: C|C]]e''' and '''[[jbocre: C|C]]ei''' sound different enough I need to consciously pronounce '''ei''' like a redneck. --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]
* [[jbocre: Medical terminology|Medical terminology]]
 
  
* [[jbocre: Military terminology|Military terminology]]
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I'm not sure whether I ever got around to proposing this in the thread where I griped about ''rei'' vs. ''re'', but I intended to. ''xei'' should be used to refer to the digit for 14, and not ''rei'', so that there's a hope of distinguishing it from ''re''.
* [[jbocre: Music terminology|Music terminology]]
 
  
* [[jbocre: Political and Government terminology|Political and Government terminology]]
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I use Lojban digits to think about the names of hexadecimal numbers, because otherwise I end up needing to remember one and thinking "Was that two-eight-zero or two-A-zero?", or maybe "Was that two-eighty or two-eight-E?". So it doesn't help if two Lojban digits are just as confusing.
* [[jbocre: Radio terminology|Radio terminology]]
 
  
* [[jbocre: Science terminology|Science terminology]] (Biology, Linguistics, Physics, etc)
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This breaks the idea that the digits A-F are in alphabetical order, but how exactly would that help anyway, considering that [[jbocre: if alphabetical order of numbers matched numerical order... he rest of the digits aren't?|if alphabetical order of numbers matched numerical order... he rest of the digits aren't?]]
* [[jbocre: Sexual terminology|Sexual terminology]]
 
  
* [[jbocre: Sports|Sports]]
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--[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]
* [[jbocre: valsi lo djedi e lo masti vu'o poi ropno|valsi lo djedi e lo masti vu'o poi ropno]]
 
  
* [[jbocre: Vehicles terminology|Vehicles terminology]]
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You know, [[jbocre: The Wiki|The Wiki]] is a wonderful thing, even easier than the web for this: when you use one of these creative [[jbocre: lujvo|lujvo]] etc., link it to its page or that of its category, to make looking it up easier, thus hopefully making it easier to get these accepted. Lujvo aren't necessarily supposed to be completely transparent once you decode the [[jbocre: rafsi|rafsi]] (or else they'd be [[jbocre: tanru|tanru]]), so I'd say this is a good practice. ''--mi'e [[User:Mark Shoulson|.mark.]]''
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* Normally I'm opposed to the use of xV(')V forms for experimental cmavo (because they should be kept free for those that stand the test of time), but the argument for this one seems irresistible. [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
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.iecai zo xei zo rei cu zmadu le ka se pilno .i ju'ocu'i zo xei pamoi sepi'o la xyx. poi pamoi .iku'i zo dau bi'i zo vai cu traji vamji [[jbocre: tinkit|tinkit]]

Revision as of 17:20, 4 November 2013

xei PA hex digit E
because rei sucks
  • Why does rei suck? -tsali
    • It's re with the vowel sound changed to a very similar one. Most of the time in Lojban, ?e and ?ei are distinguishable from context.
      • Hell, how should the two sounds be similar (unless pronounced the English/American way which is not at all standard!)! {re} has to be pronounced like Italian "re" (king), and (rei) like about English "ray"! No way to be mixed up. Please leave your Anglo-Saxon island!
        • I differentiate by lengthening the i longer than for most dipthongs - re-i - but it's still one syllable. BTW, I speak English and I've never been to Australia in my life.
          • .i mi ca xusra noda .u'i -- mi'e nitcion
            • .i uiru'e u'iru'e .i ku'i na di'u .i do xusra lenu do xusra noda .ija'e do xusra .i mi'e .kreig.daniyl.
              • .i mi se krasi la kretes. noi ji'a krasi la .epimenides .i ko zgana la'ozy. [1] zy.
                • .i xu do se krasi la kretes. .ianai .i la kretes. cu daplu .i xu do troci lenu xusra lu mi krasi la kretes. li'u .a lu la kretes. se krasi mi li'u
                  • Never mind, I was getting the x1 and x2 of krasi mixed up.
            • Much of the discussion of this comment can be found mi ca xusra noda here
        • As an American, in order to make Ce and Cei sound different enough I need to consciously pronounce ei like a redneck. --rab.spir

I'm not sure whether I ever got around to proposing this in the thread where I griped about rei vs. re, but I intended to. xei should be used to refer to the digit for 14, and not rei, so that there's a hope of distinguishing it from re.

I use Lojban digits to think about the names of hexadecimal numbers, because otherwise I end up needing to remember one and thinking "Was that two-eight-zero or two-A-zero?", or maybe "Was that two-eighty or two-eight-E?". So it doesn't help if two Lojban digits are just as confusing.

This breaks the idea that the digits A-F are in alphabetical order, but how exactly would that help anyway, considering that if alphabetical order of numbers matched numerical order... he rest of the digits aren't?

--rab.spir


  • Normally I'm opposed to the use of xV(')V forms for experimental cmavo (because they should be kept free for those that stand the test of time), but the argument for this one seems irresistible. And Rosta

.iecai zo xei zo rei cu zmadu le ka se pilno .i ju'ocu'i zo xei pamoi sepi'o la xyx. poi pamoi .iku'i zo dau bi'i zo vai cu traji vamji tinkit