https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=xai&feed=atom&action=historyxai - Revision history2024-03-29T14:29:51ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=xai&diff=122933&oldid=prevGleki at 11:38, 30 June 20182018-06-30T11:38:33Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>xai<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>KOhA <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </del>they. Repeats two or more preceding sumti, as ''ra'' repeats one. (proposed by [[Pierre Abbat|Pierre Abbat]])</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{cmavo|</ins>xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|</ins>KOhA<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|</ins>they. Repeats two or more preceding sumti, as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' repeats one. (proposed by [[Pierre Abbat|Pierre Abbat]])<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] think this doesn't merit a precious monosyllablc cmavo: cp <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ru'ai|</del>ru'ai]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*:</ins>think this doesn't merit a precious monosyllablc cmavo: cp [[ru'ai]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* '</ins>''le gerku cu jersi le mlatu .i xai tatpi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-----</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** This is actually no less vague than <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''le </ins>gerku cu jersi le mlatu .i tatpi''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''le gerku<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''le mlatu<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' are the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><u></ins>only<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> </ins>preceding sumti, so in this case <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is very precise: it can only be <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''le gerku kujoi le mlatu<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''. On the other hand, a plain <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''tatpi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' could refer to just <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''le gerku<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', just <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''le mlatu<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' or to neither.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* </del>le gerku cu jersi le mlatu .i xai tatpi</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pc:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>This is actually no less vague than <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"le </del>gerku cu jersi le mlatu .i tatpi<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****: </ins>Why <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>joi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>rather than just <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>? It seems each of them is tired, not the mass of them (can a mass be tired?). pc</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** I picked <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''joi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' because I think it's the most useful. To get <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>each of them<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </ins>we can say <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ro xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', and to emphasize explicitly the mass meaning we can say <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''piro xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''. In any case, whatever applies to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''do<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ta<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' and company should apply to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''. The Book is not very definite about this.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***''le gerku'' and ''le mlatu'' are the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>only<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>preceding sumti, so in this case ''xai'' is very precise: it can only be ''le gerku kujoi le mlatu''. On the other hand, a plain ''tatpi'' could refer to just ''le gerku'', just ''le mlatu'' or to neither.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Well it's certainly going to have to be worked out whether <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>means <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>.e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' or '''</ins>joi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>. The two sumti are not connected with any such connector in the first sentence, so that has to be created in the second. Also, does <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>xai''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">' import <u></ins>every<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> </ins>sumti from the previous sentence, and glom them together using as-yet-unspecified connector? What is meant by <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>mi klama abu. by. .i xai broda<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** Why <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>joi<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">} </del>rather than just <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>e<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}</del>? It seems each of them is tired, not the mass of them (can a mass be tired?). pc</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****** <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">******: </ins>It does not import every sumti from the previous sentence, nor do all the sumti it imports need be in the immediately preceding sentence. The proposed definition says <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>two or more preceding sumti<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </ins>and I think it is a good one. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is similarly vague as to which sumti it sends back to. As for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''mi klama abu. by. .i xai broda<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', first notice that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''abu by<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is a single sumti, probably <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''abuboi by<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is what was meant. In that case, the most likely interpretation is that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' selects <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''abu<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''by<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', because talking about two locations together is more likely than talking about a goer and a location. Compare with ''John went from Paris to Rome. They are beautiful cities<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>. It is unlikely that John is meant to be a part of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>they<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>. It depends on the context.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** I picked ''joi'' because I think it's the most useful. To get <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>each of them<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </del>we can say ''ro xai'', and to emphasize explicitly the mass meaning we can say ''piro xai''. In any case, whatever applies to ''do'', ''ta'' and company should apply to ''xai''. The Book is not very definite about this.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>******* This is absolutely NO better than dropping the sumti completely and letting an implied <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>zo'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>represent all that.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Well it's certainly going to have to be worked out whether <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>xai<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </del>means <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>.e<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" or "</del>joi<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>. The two sumti are not connected with any such connector in the first sentence, so that has to be created in the second. Also, does xai <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">import </del>''every<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </del>sumti from the previous sentence, and glom them together using as-yet-unspecified connector? What is meant by <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>mi klama abu. by. .i xai broda<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>two or more preceding sumti<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </ins>is rather more informative than <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''zo'e''. Would you also maintain that using <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is no better than dropping the sumti completely and letting an implied zo'e represent that?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>is clearer than <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' and '''zo</ins>'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>, because it specifies the number of sumties to copy: one. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>zo'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>both leave the number, and the relationship (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>.e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>joi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>, etc<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins>) undetermined, so they are totally equal.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****** It does not import every sumti from the previous sentence, nor do all the sumti it imports need be in the immediately preceding sentence. The proposed definition says <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>two or more preceding sumti<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </del>and I think it is a good one. ''ra'' is similarly vague as to which sumti it sends back to. As for ''mi klama abu. by. .i xai broda'', first notice that ''abu by'' is a single sumti, probably ''abuboi by'' is what was meant. In that case, the most likely interpretation is that ''xai'' selects ''abu'' and ''by'', because talking about two locations together is more likely than talking about a goer and a location. Compare with ''John went from Paris to Rome. They are beautiful cities.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </del>It is unlikely that John is meant to be a part of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>they<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>. It depends on the context. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' specifies at least two sumti, this often will provide more information than we can get for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''zo'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' does not even have to be about any previous sumti. Very often it is not.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>******* This is absolutely NO better than dropping the sumti completely and letting an implied zo'e represent all that.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********** <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>ra''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">' means <u></ins>one<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> sumti; '</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>means anywhere between <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>2<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>ci'i<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>, so you can see that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>is more well-defined/better specified/less vague/more specific. Likewise, it is true that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>is better specified than <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>zo'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********** <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' normally has fewer possible referents, that's true. (The only exception I can think of is when there are exactly two preceding sumti, in which case both <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' are perfectly well defined<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)</ins>. But that doesn't make it less vague. In a situation for example where we have seven preceding sumti, two of which are obviously related and form a natural group, and the rest are unrelated, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' has a much more likely obvious referent than <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>two or more preceding sumti<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </del>is rather more informative than ''zo'e''. Would you also maintain that using ''ra'' is no better than dropping the sumti completely and letting an implied zo'e represent that?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**I take back what I said elsewhere about this problem having an easy solution if we just invent new words. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>needs for success at least 1) a way of indicating which recent sumti are intended, unless it is all back to the beginning of the conversation, and 2) a way to indicate how they are to be connected, minimally to distinguish <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>joi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>-- maybe two separate pronouns or taking one as standard and using something from LAhE to get the other. And, for 1, maybe a complex way of indicating which is involved -- backcounting for example. It seems that simple repetition is likely to be easier and clearer.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********* ra is clearer than xai <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and zo</del>'e, because it specifies the number of sumties to copy: one. xai and zo'e both leave the number, and the relationship (.e, joi, etc) undetermined, so they are totally equal.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***For absolute precision you can use subscripts. Just as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''raxipaci<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' represents the 13th sumti back, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xaixipacipi'epabipi'ecimu<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' can be used to refer to the 13th, 18th and 25th previous sumti taken together.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********* ''xai'' specifies at least two sumti, this often will provide more information than we can get for ''ra''. ''zo'e'' does not even have to be about any previous sumti. Very often it is not.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****:</ins>don't you mean <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>rixipaci<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>? <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>ra<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>is ambiguous. Furthermore, anyone who uses a subscript to refer back to the 13th sumti should be shot (or more nicely said: will not be understood). An ambiguous <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>would be <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><u></ins>far<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> </ins>more useful than any attempt to make it specific (if you need the specificity, there's nothing wrong with going back to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>goi ko'a<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>goi ko'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>ko'a joi ko'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>).</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********** ra <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">means </del>''one'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sumti; </del>xai means anywhere between 2 and ci'i, so you can see that ra is more well-defined/better specified/less vague/more specific. Likewise, it is true that xai is better specified than zo'e.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*****Of course the plain <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''xai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is the useful one (and the only usable one) but nothing is lost by providing a method for the precision that some people seem to require.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>********** ''ra'' normally has fewer possible referents, that's true. (The only exception I can think of is when there are exactly two preceding sumti, in which case both ''xai'' and ''ra'' are perfectly well defined.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) </del>But that doesn't make it less vague. In a situation for example where we have seven preceding sumti, two of which are obviously related and form a natural group, and the rest are unrelated, ''xai'' has a much more likely obvious referent than ''ra''.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**I take back what I said elsewhere about this problem having an easy solution if we just invent new words. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>xai<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">} </del>needs for success at least 1) a way of indicating which recent sumti are intended, unless it is all back to the beginning of the conversation, and 2) a way to indicate how they are to be connected, minimally to distinguish <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>e<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">} </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>joi<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">} </del>-- maybe two separate pronouns or taking one as standard and using something from LAhE to get the other. And, for 1, maybe a complex way of indicating which is involved -- backcounting for example. It seems that simple repetition is likely to be easier and clearer.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***For absolute precision you can use subscripts. Just as ''raxipaci'' represents the 13th sumti back, ''xaixipacipi'epabipi'ecimu'' can be used to refer to the 13th, 18th and 25th previous sumti taken together.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****don't you mean rixipaci? ra is ambiguous. Furthermore, anyone who uses a subscript to refer back to the 13th sumti should be shot (or more nicely said: will not be understood). An ambiguous xai would be <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*</del>far<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* </del>more useful than any attempt to make it specific (if you need the specificity, there's nothing wrong with going back to goi ko'a and goi ko'e, ko'a joi ko'e)<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. -- mi'e .djorden</del>.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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</table>Glekihttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=xai&diff=76426&oldid=prevGleki at 17:20, 4 November 20132013-11-04T17:20:26Z<p></p>
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<p><b>New page</b></p><div><br />
I guess you think of something like "Japanese Language Kit (JLK)" for Mac. This is an ''extension'' parallel to Macintosh "Chinese Language Kit (CLK)" what I'm using. Since I don't intend to write Japanese (Kana+Kanji) on my machine, this solution is far too expensive and sophisticated for the purpose of just typing in some Lojban-Hiragana syllables.<br />
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Yet, there could be still another way: recently, I downloaded some other fonts together with a software allowing to create kind of scripts in order to access every place on your keyboard you want, e.g. "a" -> "xy". I just don't know yet how to have that little program installed... -.aulun.<br />
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''Getting dangerously off-topic here, but the language kits come free with System 9. Lamentably, MacOS X is yet to get its sh*t together wth customisable (or not!) Unicode keyboards, though at least it does allow you to use Unicode fonts. (System 9 only claims to.) For people who might care, could someone say whether there are shareware/freeware PC and Unix input methods? Or point to a good website? -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]''<br />
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* There is a Unicode text editor for UNIX (maybe even available for Windows) called [http://www.yudit.org udit]. In it you can define arbitrary key maps producing any [[jbocre: Unicode|Unicode]] character. (I think it is limited to plane 0, though.)Getting Unicode characters working everywhere else in Unix (or X) is significantly more difficult. See the [http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Unicode-HOWTO.html nicode HOWTO] for Linux, 90% of which is applicable to every form of Unix.<br />
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Don't think that this is off-topic, but useful for further efforts with creating alternative Lojban scripts (and their specific input!).<br />
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Since always having been working with Mac (and Atari) machines, I know next to nothing about .uindoz. stuff. But there might be a solution:<br />
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Contact SIL (Summer Institute for Linguistics) in Dallas/Tx and ask for shareware "SILKey" (a package of the program SILKey, SIL extension, SIL Weaver and some sample files like Pig Latin kbd and a tutorial). This is for Macintosh. But there's also hope for DOSen-user ;-), since there's "excellent" KeyMan for Windows! ('''''www.sil.org''''').<br />
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Using the ''weaver'' software, one is able to generate kbd-files in order to manipulate the keyboard access in many different ways... (just gave it a rudimentary try - yet it works!) - .aulun.<br />
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Here's a keyboard script that I wrote (within "Weaver" - prior to compilation and installation). The script addresses the original font's places '''except''' for the consonant-n's and the (new) L-row's places (of my own modified font-version):<br />
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// Hiragana keyboard AWT 8.01<br />
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// access to syllabic chars <br />
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keyboardname "U.S."<br />
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initialgroup (Main)<br />
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store(vowel) "aiueo"<br />
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store(hiravow) "qwert"<br />
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store(marks) ".,;"<br />
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store(hiramrk) '?"'<br />
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group (Main) using keys <br />
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"t"+"a" > "y"<br />
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"t"+"i" > "u"<br />
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"ch"+"i" > "u"<br />
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"ts"+"u" > "i"<br />
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"t"+"u" > "i"<br />
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"t"+"e" > "o"<br />
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"t"+"o" > "p"<br />
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"y"+"a" > "Q"<br />
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"y"+"i" > "W"<br />
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"y"+"u" > "E"<br />
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"y"+"e" > "R"<br />
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"y"+"o" > "T"<br />
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"m"+"a" > "Y"<br />
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"m"+"i" > "U"<br />
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"m"+"u" > "I"<br />
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"m"+"e" > "O"<br />
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"m"+"o" > "P"<br />
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"k"+"a" > "a"<br />
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"k"+"i" > "s"<br />
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"k"+"u" > "d"<br />
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"k"+"e" > "f"<br />
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"k"+"o" > "g"<br />
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"n"+"a" > "h"<br />
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"n"+"i" > "j"<br />
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"n"+"u" > "k"<br />
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"n"+"e" > "l"<br />
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"n"+"o" > ";"<br />
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"w"+"a" > "A"<br />
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"w"+"i" > "S"<br />
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"w"+"u" > "D"<br />
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"w"+"e" > "F"<br />
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"w"+"o" > "G"<br />
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"v"+"a" > "A"<br />
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"v"+"i" > "S"<br />
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"v"+"u" > "D"<br />
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"v"+"e" > "F"<br />
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"v"+"o" > "G"<br />
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"r"+"a" > "H"<br />
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"r"+"i" > "J"<br />
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"r"+"u" > "K"<br />
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"r"+"e" > "L"<br />
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"r"+"o" > ":"<br />
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"l"+"a" > "�" // produces special chars for L-syllables (altered by myself and not included in the font available)...<br />
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"l"+"i" > "�"<br />
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"l"+"u" > "�"<br />
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"l"+"e" > "�"<br />
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"l"+"o" > "�"<br />
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"s"+"a" > "z"<br />
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"s"+"i" > "x"<br />
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"sh"+"i" > "x"<br />
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"s"+"u" > "c"<br />
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"s"+"e" > "v"<br />
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"s"+"o" > "b"<br />
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"h"+"a" > "n"<br />
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"h"+"i" > "m"<br />
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"h"+"u" > ","<br />
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"f"+"u" > ","<br />
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"h"+"e" > "."<br />
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"h"+"o" > "/"<br />
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"d"+"a" > "�"<br />
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"d"+"i" > "$"<br />
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"j"+"i" > "$"<br />
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"dj"+"i" > "$"<br />
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"d"+"u" > "%"<br />
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"dz"+"u" > "%"<br />
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"d"+"e" > "�"<br />
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"d"+"o" > "1"<br />
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"g"+"a" > "�"<br />
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"g"+"i" > "�"<br />
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"g"+"u" > "�"<br />
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"g"+"e" > "�"<br />
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"g"+"o" > "�"<br />
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"z"+"a" > "*"<br />
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"z"+"i" > "�"<br />
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"z"+"u" > "V"<br />
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"z"+"e" > "�"<br />
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"z"+"o" > "�"<br />
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"b"+"a" > "!"<br />
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"b"+"i" > "�"<br />
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"b"+"u" > "2"<br />
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"b"+"e" > "3"<br />
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"b"+"o" > "�"<br />
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"p"+"a" > "�"<br />
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"p"+"i" > "�"<br />
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"p"+"u" > "�"<br />
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"p"+"e" > "�"<br />
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"p"+"o" > "�"<br />
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"k"+"l" > "[jbocre: " //Some still provisory commands to produce some small-size chars ...<br />
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"k"+"k" > "]"<br />
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"k"+"j" > "{"<br />
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"k"+"m" > "}"<br />
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"n"+"n" > "�" //hitting the n-key '''twice''' produces Japanese consonant-n <br />
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any(vowel) > index(hiravow,1) fix <br />
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any(marks) > index(hiramrk,1) fix <br />
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