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'''xa'o''' was [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9301/msg00048.html first proposed] by [[Colin Fine|Colin Fine]] | |||
'''xa'o''' was | *There seems to be some confusion as to whether '''xa'o''' means ''happening before the natural beginning'' or ''stopping before the natural end''. | ||
**I vote for the former, ''happening before the natural beginning'', being the mirror image of '''za'o''' and also referring to a time span which the event does occur, which gives the latter to '''xa'o na'''. | |||
**In addition, I propose that [[bi'a|bi'a]] be used for the standard word. '''xa'o''' sounds too close to '''za'o'''. | |||
***Well, that's why it was chosen such! I recall the original definition was that of stopping too soon. Beginning too soon or too late can be expressed as '''xa'o na''' or '''za'o na''', respectively. | |||
There seems to be some confusion as to whether ''xa'o'' means | {{mu|I started going too late|mi za'o na klama|For too long I didn't go}}. Very elegant! | ||
**Either way you chose, the other meaning is '''xa'o na'''. I like ''happening before the natural beginning'', because, like '''za'o''' it refers to a span when the event happens (and doesn't contain a negative), whereas '''xa'o na''' refers to a span when the event doesn't happen (and does contain a negative). | |||
I vote for the former, | ***Then again, we could also create a new (experimental!) cmavo that indicates the "natural" time, as opposed to the actual time. With this, '''mi za'o klama''' could become something like | ||
{{mu|mi ca'o <nowiki>[new cmavo]</nowiki> mo'u klama|I continue to go, but the natural stopping time of that going is now}} | |||
***This permits wackier combinations, where you can easily express ''I went left, but it was natural that I'd gone up''. | |||
In addition, I propose that [[bi'a|bi'a]] be used for the standard word. ''xa'o'' sounds too close to ''za'o''. | |||
Well, that's why it was chosen such! I recall the original definition was that of stopping too soon. Beginning too soon or too late can be expressed as xa'o na or za'o na, respectively. I started going too late | |||
Then again, we could also create a new (experimental!) cmavo that indicates the "natural" time, as opposed to the actual time. With this, mi za'o klama could become something like mi ca'o | |||
== Proposed definition == | == Proposed definition == | ||
{{cmavo|xa'o|ZAhO|It indicates that a situation is in advance of its natural or expected starting point, already taking place. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates a concurrent event that was expected to be prior. '''broda xa'o lo nu brode''' {{=}} '''xa'o broda ca lo nu brode'''. Keywords: "already", "already when ..."}} | |||
{{mu|ko'a xa'o dasni lo cpanystizu e lo trosko i ku'i mi'a denpa lo bavlamnanca fo lo nu cpana ko'a|He already wears a saddle and bridle, but we will wait until next year to get on him.}} | |||
{{mu|mi ca lo nu verba cu mutce clira ckali'a ca ro cerni i la patfu ca'o gunka xa'o lo nu mi ckali'a|As a child, I got up very early each morning and Daddy was already working when I got up.}} | |||
mi ca lo nu verba cu mutce clira ckali'a ca ro cerni i | |||
la patfu ca'o gunka xa'o lo nu mi ckali'a | |||
Revision as of 11:44, 30 June 2018
xa'o was first proposed by Colin Fine
- There seems to be some confusion as to whether xa'o means happening before the natural beginning or stopping before the natural end.
- I vote for the former, happening before the natural beginning, being the mirror image of za'o and also referring to a time span which the event does occur, which gives the latter to xa'o na.
- In addition, I propose that bi'a be used for the standard word. xa'o sounds too close to za'o.
- Well, that's why it was chosen such! I recall the original definition was that of stopping too soon. Beginning too soon or too late can be expressed as xa'o na or za'o na, respectively.
| I started going too late mi za'o na klama For too long I didn't go [literally] |
. Very elegant!
- Either way you chose, the other meaning is xa'o na. I like happening before the natural beginning, because, like za'o it refers to a span when the event happens (and doesn't contain a negative), whereas xa'o na refers to a span when the event doesn't happen (and does contain a negative).
- Then again, we could also create a new (experimental!) cmavo that indicates the "natural" time, as opposed to the actual time. With this, mi za'o klama could become something like
- Either way you chose, the other meaning is xa'o na. I like happening before the natural beginning, because, like za'o it refers to a span when the event happens (and doesn't contain a negative), whereas xa'o na refers to a span when the event doesn't happen (and does contain a negative).
| mi ca'o [new cmavo] mo'u klama I continue to go, but the natural stopping time of that going is now |
- This permits wackier combinations, where you can easily express I went left, but it was natural that I'd gone up.
Proposed definition
| ko'a xa'o dasni lo cpanystizu e lo trosko i ku'i mi'a denpa lo bavlamnanca fo lo nu cpana ko'a He already wears a saddle and bridle, but we will wait until next year to get on him. |
| mi ca lo nu verba cu mutce clira ckali'a ca ro cerni i la patfu ca'o gunka xa'o lo nu mi ckali'a As a child, I got up very early each morning and Daddy was already working when I got up. |