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*orgasm (''cinse zei cinmo'', x1 orgasms)--eventually this should be a gismu, so i choose something short if not quite accurate. (I think ''mo'u'' {or ''co'u''} ''gletu'' covers this--but anything besides ''[[jbocre: malglico examples lama|malglico examples lama]]''! '''Whoever first made this link did [[jbocre: guidelines for links piss-poor job of it|guidelines for links piss-poor job of it]]. It has been fixed.''')<br />
** Bogus. Orgasm need have nothing to do with ''gletu'' 'sexual intercourse', nor is it particularly the end of anything. The relevant concept is something like "sexual peak experience", but I don't know how to say "peak" (traji has the wrong place structure).<br />
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** What about ".ri'ero'u"? Sexual-release. Seems orgasmic enough for me, but I'm not sure if this is the sense of release meant. - mi'e rizen<br />
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''cmoni mokca''<br />
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** If we're going to be specific, an orgasm is an involuntary muscular pulsing, generally related to sexual activity. Perhaps something from the tanru ``cinse sluji suksa bo tolcando''. ``tolcando'' is being used here to denote (muscular) activity, which I'm not aware of a commonly accepted word for (not that I looked). ``tolsurla'' as ``contraction'' seems like another option. -- mi'e rlpowell<br />
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Note that in Lojban ''gletu'' &amp; such are no more impolite, ''cacysre'' , than ''gerku''.<br />
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* ''cacyzei'', surely. Violating taboos is not an error (like 2+2-5 is), but an offense. (No, "err according to..." not "crime punished by...")<br />
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''seltau pe'a'' and ''tertau pe'a'' have been used as sexual slang...<br />
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*''!! They have? Care to document that? (Used in interaction with someone else, I hope... As sexual slang, I mean. Oh, whatever.)'' --''to'e gubni vau zo'o''. -- doi myxyl mi co'a jinvi ledu'u do na'e junri lenu xusra loi krasi pe loi selstidi vau .u'iru'e<br />
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[[jbocre: pc|pc]]'s list, from the [[jbocre: jboste|jboste]]:<br />
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Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 4:00 am<br />
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Subject: Sex words<br />
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Lojban relationship words, Gender and relationship words -- not a record but<br />
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an appeal for polishing an area off<br />
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Some words suggested, in need of definitions, explication, general tidying.<br />
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Brook Conner:<br />
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;glependo:"fuck-buddy" (but no derogatory connotations [[jbocre: makes "fuck" a bad choice in English -- gletu has none in Lojban, pc|makes "fuck" a bad choice in English -- gletu has none in Lojban, pc]]) ''gletu pendo''<br />
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*Dammit, here I thought I was innocently commenting on my dog's exuberance yesterday when I greeted her with ''coi glege'u'' - I thought gle was from gleki!<br />
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;pampendo:"non-sexual lover/deep friend" ''prami pendo''<br />
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;cinprami:"sexualove" (?lover?pc) ''cinse prami''<br />
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;pamgle/pamygletu:loving intercourse ''prami gletu''<br />
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;pamcinse:loving sexuality ''prami cinse''<br />
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;pedgle/pe'ogle/pe'ogletu/pedgletu: - friendly intercourse ''pendo gletu''<br />
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;malgle:fuck1 (? as opposed how to simple copulation?pc)<br />
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;malpe'o:fuck (presumably, fuck3, since pendo has not implication of intercourse, pc)<br />
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pc:<br />
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Presumably all dyadic relations, none very clear.<br />
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Note: pendo (and presumably most other words of similar sort -- which I<br />
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leave deliberately vague ) is defined in terms of observable properties,<br />
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behaving in a friendly fashion over a period of time (pleasant conversation,<br />
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helpful actions, and so on-- a deliberately open-ended list). These actions are taken to indicate affection and benevolence, but this is not required for<br />
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the term. However, when proof of lack of the latter arises (typically by some<br />
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other actions) we may withdraw the attribution and say things like "I thought<br />
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he was a friend but he turned out not to be" or "but he was just pretending"<br />
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or perhaps "but he changed."<br />
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gletu appears to need some clarification, given the range of activities that<br />
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these (and the following) words suggest as possibly under it (oral? anal?<br />
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digital (yes, including big toes or the athletically inclined)? "clit<br />
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bumping"? mechanical? self? -- I assume that these will make cases of<br />
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German shepherds and sheep clear).<br />
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Brook Conner:<br />
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;pavycinglepre:monosexual<br />
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;relcinglepre:bisexual<br />
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[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]:<br />
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woman-become-man for male to female transsexuals(or past-man-woman)<br />
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reverse the genders for the other direction.<br />
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monadic? or places for former and present names<br />
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pc:<br />
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This leaves out a lot of possibilities: transgendered (i.e., living as other<br />
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gender without body alteration), transvestite, and, of course, homosexual and<br />
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heterosexual. And this does not even get into the mass of biologically<br />
<br />
defined variant sexes: xx males (hypersensitive to testosterone), xy females<br />
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(lack testosterone receptors), xyy males and overt hermaphrodites of various<br />
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degrees<br />
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Brook Conner:<br />
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Another example, in English, the phrase "my wife's girlfriend" is perhaps<br />
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startling, but also unclear in meaning - is this just a friend who is<br />
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female? Or does my wife sleep with this friend? Is this something that<br />
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is part of our family structure? Or is it something clandestine?<br />
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Lojbab:<br />
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pendo does not indicate a sexual relationship no matter what genders are<br />
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involved. If you wantto imply a sexual relationship you must explicitly<br />
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add cinse or when appropriate gletu. So my spouse's female-friend is fine.<br />
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More complicated might be teenage "going-with" relationships. My 13 year<br />
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old flirts and is flirted with by half the boys in her school, has at any<br />
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given time one "boyfriend", but this seems to change every few weeks, and<br />
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hopefully is well short of gletu. I would probably use special-friend, or<br />
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special-boy-friend, or even special-sexual-friend.<br />
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Brook Conner:<br />
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Another example: my friend's child. There's no real way to express<br />
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(that I can think of) in English what your relationship is with this<br />
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child without<br />
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# sounding like a child molester or<br />
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# spending a paragraph or two explaining what is intended.<br />
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Is this someone I know,<br />
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but have no interaction with? Or someone who is a friend of mine as<br />
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well? Or someone I think of as a child of my own?<br />
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Lojbab:<br />
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If you are of the same generation as your friend, in Lojban you are a<br />
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metaphorical uncle. So he is a friend-nephew or friend-se-uncle<br />
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pc:<br />
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Loglan regularly used a word for "social" to distinguish these kinds of<br />
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relationships from biological ones. The various kinds of blended families<br />
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create another place where work is needed (or in need of recording anyhow):<br />
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steps, halfs, double halfs, adoptions, surrogate, ....<br />
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This thread also introduced some discussion of Lojban swearing or, rather,<br />
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insulting but reached no very clear conclusion about how to do it well or<br />
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accurately -- who was being held in contempt by ionai, for example, or how<br />
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that contempt should be rendered -- except perhaps contextually.<br />
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Let history also record [[jbocre: David Twery|David Twery]]'s extensive proposals of yore (incorporated in the jvoste).<br />
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still think ''seltau'' and ''tertau'' are too esoteric?<br />
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''You wouldn't have red Marjorie Boulton's Esperanto poem about the librarian's fantasies, complete with "footnote my asterisks", I take it. That's how seriously I take ''seltau'' and ''tertau'' :-) --- and btw, which is which?'' -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]<br />
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How can we tell the Modifier from the Modified?</div>Gleki