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Robin's Palm Writings: Category: la nicte cadzu
== terminology ==


Navigation: [[Robin's Palm Writings: la nicte cadzu|la nicte cadzu Index]] [[Robin's Palm Writings|Robin's Palm Writings: Top-Level Index]]
*Domain - "???"
*Kingdom - baljutsi


ni'o dy ze'i de'a viska lo kanla be sy .i ca bo sy kakne lo nu zenba lo ka surla .i ba bo dy di'a viska sy gi'e cusku pa'a lu .i'a sai mi curmi lo nu do troci co binxo lo cmima be la nicte cadzu .i .e'u nai sai lo pruce cu clani je nandu .i ji'a pu lo nu ca'a co'a cilre tu'a mi'a vau do bilga lo nu cilre fi la lojban li'u .i la susan poi pu zi co'a gleki simsa cu cusku pa'a lu la lojban mo li'u ju'e lu bangu .i xu do pu'i pilno la internet to'i sy tugni gasnu le nu stedu le desku toi .i xamgu .i ko sisku la lojban se pi'o .i bu li'u ju'e lu .ua nai ma mukti li'u ju'e lu .u'i nai lo crida na kakne lo nu jimpe ja cusku bau la lojban li'u ju'e lu mi ba troci .i to'i cmalu denpa toi .i .y. lo crida cu kakne lo nu tavla xu li'u ju'e lu .u'i lo crida poi do pu viska cu na go'i .i ri cilce danlu simsa .i se ki'u bo na mutce pensi .i ku'i so'i klesi be lo crida cu zasti .i ji'a so'o ri cu tcetce mencre li'u
*Phylum - xadytaijutsi
*Class - klejutsi


ni'o la deivid cusku pa'a lu ta'o nai do zifre lo nu tavla lo drata ke lojbo prenu .i ku'i .e'u nai lo nu da'i do cusku tu'a la nicte cadzu ra cu krinu lo nu da'i do ba no roi tavla la nicte cadzu .i xu do jimpe li'u ju'e lu go'i li'u ju'e lu xamgu .i ji'a do nitcu lo nu jimpe di'e .i la nicte cadzu cu nitcu tu'a so'i jibri .i lo nu crida kalte cu pa fi'u so'i mei pagbu po'o .i ku'i .e'u nai sai lo nu do crida kalte binxo cu rinka lo nu do joi pa crida ba se fatri lo ruxse'i be do be'o .e lo menli be do .i la nicte cadzu cu ro roi se sidju lo crida poi jamna lo crida poi simsa le crida poi troci lo nu catra do .i lo nu crida kalte cu na frili li'u
*Order - grijutsi
** Because it's the only gismu left :-) (But yes, Group is also used, so I won't insist on it. Is there any actual biological determinant of what constitutes an order?)


ni'o la susan simlu lo ka terpa .i ku'i cusku pa'a lu mi kakne lo nu troci po'o li'u .i za'a la deivid gleki la'e di'u .i ca zi bo lo cidja cu tolcliva .i sy jo'u dy citka gi'e casnu lo na mutce vajni .i sy co'a nelci dy ca'o lo nu sanmi .i sy kucli lo nu pendo binxo .a'o
*Family - lazyjutsi
*Genus - jijyjutsi
 
**Intuitive class, because genus is the level at which most people discriminate most animals.
*Species - frejutsi
 
==== taxa ====
 
* fadjurme - eubacteria (true bacteria)
* dzejurme - archaea
 
* ? - eukaryotes (cells with nucleii)
** ? - opisthokonts
 
***[[danlu baljutsi|danlu baljutsi]] - animals (Metazoa)
***[[mledi baljutsi|mledi baljutsi]] - fungi
 
**[[spati baljutsi|spati baljutsi]] - green plants (''ri'ospa'')
**[[xunspa baljutsi|xunspa baljutsi]] - red algae (Rhodophyta)
 
**jurmrprotista (not a cladistic term)
*[[vidru|vidru]] - viruses
 
==== other comments ====
 
Forgive my needless technical accuracy, but I'm fascinated by the upper levels of the tree of life. Eubacteria are bacteria. Archaea (formerly called archaebacteria) were once thought to be bacteria, but in the last few decades have been discovered to be genetically unrelated. Some archaea specialize in extreme environments like volcanic hot springs or hypersaline (very salty) waters, but others share environments with ordinary eubacteria. The opisthokonts are the parent group of both animals and fungi--I don't think we're likely to need a Lojban name for them, but I stuck them in because it's cool that ''danlu'' and ''mledi'' are cousins, and ''ri'ospa'' are outsiders. Several other groups could be added at the same level as ''rio'spa'' and ''xunspa'', most importantly the chromists (aka stramenopiles), which include diatoms, kelp, and mildew (which is not a fungus). [http://phylogeny.arizona.edu/ ree of Life] is a rich source of taxonomic info if you can stand the jargon. ''mi'e [[jezrax|jezrax]]''
 
[[Oog|Oog]]. Whoever made this, would side-by-side English translations be feasible to add? (And you might want to consider splitting the kingdoms, at least, up onto different pages to keep down the nesting. --[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]
 
I've bolded the gismu in the foregoing. For those of us that want to use Type 3 fu'ivla (thank you very much), this is as good a place as any to see which animals are covered by which gismu. Someone (maybe me) will insert the remaining gismu (for example, is a xanto a proboscid, or only the superordinate of the Indian and African elephant, and excluding the mammoth? Where does smani fit within primates, if at all?) And oh: English '''and''' Latin, please, because taxonomies do tend to be fluid, and its easier to do web searches if you know what the unambiguous Linnaean spelling is. And another plea for sanity: since some animals will be further broken down by suborders and superclasses (I think that's how you'll get monkeys in), indicate the current taxon at each level with some abbreviation or other, and don't hold back on ''using'' those suborders and superclasses. -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]].
 
The term "monkey" in English includes no prosimians or tarsiers, all platyrrhines, and all catarrhines except the families Hylobatidae, Pongidae, and Hominidae. The term "ape" includes Hylobatidae, Pongidae, and in some people's opinion Hominidae, Both of these seem quite arbitrary, and I see no reason why the term "smani" should have the same meaning as either. --phma
 
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Just one example of how complicated precise taxonomy can be with regard to poetry translation: [[poetico-botanical problems|poetico-botanical problems]] (a question raised by my Russian net friend Boris Mescheryakov.) -- .aulun.
 
english language information on various critters, organized taxonomically: http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/

Latest revision as of 08:35, 30 June 2014

terminology

  • Domain - "???"
  • Kingdom - baljutsi
  • Phylum - xadytaijutsi
  • Class - klejutsi
  • Order - grijutsi
    • Because it's the only gismu left :-) (But yes, Group is also used, so I won't insist on it. Is there any actual biological determinant of what constitutes an order?)
  • Family - lazyjutsi
  • Genus - jijyjutsi
    • Intuitive class, because genus is the level at which most people discriminate most animals.
  • Species - frejutsi

taxa

  • fadjurme - eubacteria (true bacteria)
  • dzejurme - archaea
  • ? - eukaryotes (cells with nucleii)
    • ? - opisthokonts
    • jurmrprotista (not a cladistic term)
  • vidru - viruses

other comments

Forgive my needless technical accuracy, but I'm fascinated by the upper levels of the tree of life. Eubacteria are bacteria. Archaea (formerly called archaebacteria) were once thought to be bacteria, but in the last few decades have been discovered to be genetically unrelated. Some archaea specialize in extreme environments like volcanic hot springs or hypersaline (very salty) waters, but others share environments with ordinary eubacteria. The opisthokonts are the parent group of both animals and fungi--I don't think we're likely to need a Lojban name for them, but I stuck them in because it's cool that danlu and mledi are cousins, and ri'ospa are outsiders. Several other groups could be added at the same level as rio'spa and xunspa, most importantly the chromists (aka stramenopiles), which include diatoms, kelp, and mildew (which is not a fungus). ree of Life is a rich source of taxonomic info if you can stand the jargon. mi'e jezrax

Oog. Whoever made this, would side-by-side English translations be feasible to add? (And you might want to consider splitting the kingdoms, at least, up onto different pages to keep down the nesting. --Jay

I've bolded the gismu in the foregoing. For those of us that want to use Type 3 fu'ivla (thank you very much), this is as good a place as any to see which animals are covered by which gismu. Someone (maybe me) will insert the remaining gismu (for example, is a xanto a proboscid, or only the superordinate of the Indian and African elephant, and excluding the mammoth? Where does smani fit within primates, if at all?) And oh: English and Latin, please, because taxonomies do tend to be fluid, and its easier to do web searches if you know what the unambiguous Linnaean spelling is. And another plea for sanity: since some animals will be further broken down by suborders and superclasses (I think that's how you'll get monkeys in), indicate the current taxon at each level with some abbreviation or other, and don't hold back on using those suborders and superclasses. -- nitcion.

The term "monkey" in English includes no prosimians or tarsiers, all platyrrhines, and all catarrhines except the families Hylobatidae, Pongidae, and Hominidae. The term "ape" includes Hylobatidae, Pongidae, and in some people's opinion Hominidae, Both of these seem quite arbitrary, and I see no reason why the term "smani" should have the same meaning as either. --phma


Just one example of how complicated precise taxonomy can be with regard to poetry translation: poetico-botanical problems (a question raised by my Russian net friend Boris Mescheryakov.) -- .aulun.

english language information on various critters, organized taxonomically: http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/