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{{jvs|spero}}, an [[experimental gismu|unofficial]] gismu for '[[Esperanto|Esperanto]]'. | {{jvs|spero}}, an [[experimental gismu|unofficial]] gismu for '[[Esperanto|Esperanto]]'. | ||
First proposed (with a real chance back then of it becoming official!) by [[John Cowan]]: http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9012/msg00009.html, rejected at Logfest 91 | First proposed (with a real chance back then of it becoming official!) by [[John Cowan]]: <ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9012/msg00009.html</ref>, rejected at Logfest 91<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9106/msg00127.html</ref>. | ||
*[[User:Cyril Slobin|kir]]: | *[[User:Cyril Slobin|kir]]: | ||
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**:'''spe'anto''' is better, IMO. | **:'''spe'anto''' is better, IMO. | ||
***[[User:Cyril Slobin| kir]]'': | ***[[User:Cyril Slobin| kir]]'': | ||
***:But The Book explicitely suggests CCVVCV for cultural fu'ivla! | ***:But The Book explicitely suggests CCVVCV for cultural fu'ivla! | ||
****[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]: | ****[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]: | ||
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****???!!! How is it not canonical? Fine: "not the default strategy suggested." | ****???!!! How is it not canonical? Fine: "not the default strategy suggested." | ||
*[[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]: | *[[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]: | ||
*:'''spero''' all the way! | *:'''spero''' all the way! | ||
*[[User:tsali|tsali]]: | *[[User:tsali|tsali]]: | ||
*:Well, I'm in favour of '''[[pacnybau]]'''. | *:Well, I'm in favour of '''[[pacnybau]]'''. | ||
*xod: | *xod: | ||
*:Since I think we need to jettison all [[cultural gismu]] (except '''lojbo''') and replace them with stage threes, Esperanto is no exception! | *:Since I think we need to jettison all [[cultural gismu]] (except '''lojbo''') and replace them with stage threes, Esperanto is no exception! | ||
**Read more [[The Emergence of Lojban Nationalism|here]]. | **Read more [[The Emergence of Lojban Nationalism|here]]. | ||
*[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]: | *[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]: | ||
*:pe'i it is okay to keep cultural gismu and add new ones so long as the existing ones lose their rafsi (in usage or in Ideal Lojban). See [[Boo to cultural gismu]]. | *:pe'i it is okay to keep cultural gismu and add new ones so long as the existing ones lose their rafsi (in usage or in Ideal Lojban). See [[Boo to cultural gismu]]. | ||
*[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]: | *[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]: | ||
*:The idea of cultural gismu is totes inconsistent, considering the nature of Lojban. However, the prefixes and suffixes are sometimes useful. | *:The idea of cultural gismu is totes inconsistent, considering the nature of Lojban. However, the prefixes and suffixes are sometimes useful. | ||
Revision as of 10:41, 28 March 2014
spero, an unofficial gismu for 'Esperanto'.
First proposed (with a real chance back then of it becoming official!) by John Cowan: [1], rejected at Logfest 91[2].
- kir:
- According to proposal in chapter 4.16 of The Book, fu'ivla spe'ato can be used instead. How do you like this?
- Jay:
- spe'anto is better, IMO.
- kir:
- But The Book explicitely suggests CCVVCV for cultural fu'ivla!
- nitcion:
- This being a strawpoll :-) , I'm diehard behind bangrnesperanto.
- Maybe banrsperanto? Being hardcore fundamentalist, I avoid this as not being canonical per the Book.
- ???!!! How is it not canonical? Fine: "not the default strategy suggested."
- .kreig.daniyl.:
- spero all the way!
- tsali:
- Well, I'm in favour of pacnybau.
- xod:
- Since I think we need to jettison all cultural gismu (except lojbo) and replace them with stage threes, Esperanto is no exception!
- Read more here.
- And Rosta:
- pe'i it is okay to keep cultural gismu and add new ones so long as the existing ones lose their rafsi (in usage or in Ideal Lojban). See Boo to cultural gismu.
- Plastic Raven:
- The idea of cultural gismu is totes inconsistent, considering the nature of Lojban. However, the prefixes and suffixes are sometimes useful.