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Gleki: Gleki moved page jbocre: refgramm to refgramm without leaving a redirect: Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"
2014-03-23T14:56:16Z
<p>Gleki moved page <a href="/index.php?title=jbocre:_refgramm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="jbocre: refgramm (page does not exist)">jbocre: refgramm</a> to <a href="/papri/refgramm" title="refgramm">refgramm</a> without leaving a redirect: Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"</p>
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Gleki at 17:11, 4 November 2013
2013-11-04T17:11:03Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''Thanks, Jay! </del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-) But I do think there is a legitimate distinction to be drawn between the sundry waves of Lojbanists</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">particularly in terms of social dynamics</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Feel free to refactor this elsewhere:'' -- </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nick Nicholas</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nitcion</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Abbreviation of the [[jbocre</ins>: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reference grammar|reference grammar]]</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">i.e</ins>. [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre</ins>: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Complete Lojban Language</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Complete Lojban Language</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">;Conlangers:Early '90s, recruited through constructed language afficionadodom. Substantial overlap with 'Jimbobs' (see [[jbocre: Jimbob mythos|Jimbob mythos]]). [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]], [[jbocre: Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]], [[jbocre: And Rosta|And Rosta]], [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[jbocre: Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]] (see below)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Michael's different, because he became a Lojbanist earlier but joined the list later; thus for some years one did not know him but knew of him, as Lojban's foremost poet but living in offnet obscurity. (mi'e [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Pigeon-holes are silly, but there are certain clusterings which may explain certain attitudes and positions. There are lots of Lojbanists which I have no idea where they fit. [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], for instance '''(resolved)''', or [[jbocre: Goran Topic|Goran Topic]]. Not to mention any of the New Growth Lojbanists...</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''Sounds like too many classes. I notice only two groups: the revolutionaries and the new schoolers. Very loosely, the revolutionaries are the Loglaners that split and created Lojban, and the new school are gen-x geeks that came in after the language was solidified. do'acai --xod''</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">There are [[jbocre: 'tweeners|'tweeners]] that took part in the solidification ('91-'97); I suspect [[User:xorxes|xorxes]] and I the only one still around to any extent, though... -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[jbocre: pc|pc]]? :-) -- mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]. (M.H. joined around 1989 after reading a review of ''ju'i lobypli'' in "Factsheet Five". Inactive during much of the Nineties. Except for the timeframe, the "conlanger" category seems to fit. --mh)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[jbocre: This thread may be titled "Why Lojban Is Better Than English"|This thread may be titled "Why Lojban Is Better Than English"]]</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[jbocre: pc|pc]]? :-) ''</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">michael seems like a nice guy, though. ''Yup, that's what I meant by ''sui generis''! '' so whats with the comparison to [[jbocre: pc|pc]], then?</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''Cause neither can be understood?'' Oh, Lordy. This is not the first time this has happened. In "[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else", And = </del>[[jbocre: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">And Rosta|And Rosta]]! And I'm comparing And to pc because of their formal bias, though of course And is more formal than pc...</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Gee, I think I resent that. I also like to think of myself as the memory and conscience of the group, hewing closely to the original ideas (ideals?) of Loglan and mentioning when things go too far astray (in my opinion, of course). pc</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This word '''growth''' makes me think you're discussing forests. Campaign to save the old growth Lojbanists from the timber industry.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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Gleki at 17:06, 4 November 2013
2013-11-04T17:06:13Z
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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>A class of [[jbocre: JboPre|Lojbanist]]s arbitrarily defined by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]] as "anyone who joined Lojban after he left it for his PhD". (i.e. 1994)<br />
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''Thanks, Jay! :-) But I do think there is a legitimate distinction to be drawn between the sundry waves of Lojbanists, particularly in terms of social dynamics. Feel free to refactor this elsewhere:'' -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]<br />
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;Old Growth:Loglanists. [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], [[User:Jeff Prothero|Jeff Prothero]], [[jbocre: pc|pc]], [[jbocre: Colin Fine|Colin Fine]], [[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]<br />
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;Sci-Fi:Late '80s, recruited through Sci-fi cons. [[jbocre: Athelstan|Athelstan]], [http://keithlynch.net/ Keith Lynch]<br />
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;Conlangers:Early '90s, recruited through constructed language afficionadodom. Substantial overlap with 'Jimbobs' (see [[jbocre: Jimbob mythos|Jimbob mythos]]). [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]], [[jbocre: Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]], [[jbocre: And Rosta|And Rosta]], [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[jbocre: Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]] (see below)<br />
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*Michael's different, because he became a Lojbanist earlier but joined the list later; thus for some years one did not know him but knew of him, as Lojban's foremost poet but living in offnet obscurity. (mi'e [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])<br />
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;Geeks:Always present, but somewhat more prominent in the late '90s? Recruited through computer science interest (though not necessarily primarily so). [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[User:xod|xod]], [[User:.aionys.|Eye/Onus]], [[User:skorgu|Skorgu]].<br />
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*Others reticent to call themselves that in public. Others not so reticent? :-)<br />
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;New Growth:Substantial overlap with Geeks? Mebbe, mebbe not.<br />
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Pigeon-holes are silly, but there are certain clusterings which may explain certain attitudes and positions. There are lots of Lojbanists which I have no idea where they fit. [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], for instance '''(resolved)''', or [[jbocre: Goran Topic|Goran Topic]]. Not to mention any of the New Growth Lojbanists...<br />
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''Sounds like too many classes. I notice only two groups: the revolutionaries and the new schoolers. Very loosely, the revolutionaries are the Loglaners that split and created Lojban, and the new school are gen-x geeks that came in after the language was solidified. do'acai --xod''<br />
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There are [[jbocre: 'tweeners|'tweeners]] that took part in the solidification ('91-'97); I suspect [[User:xorxes|xorxes]] and I the only one still around to any extent, though... -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]<br />
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''ki'e doi nitcion, I was starting to feel left out, as I didn't fit in any of the categories. What about [[jbocre: Michael Helsem a maikl|Michael Helsem a maikl]] and la and. mi'e xorxes, proud 'tweener and solidifier.''<br />
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la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[jbocre: pc|pc]]? :-) -- mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]. (M.H. joined around 1989 after reading a review of ''ju'i lobypli'' in "Factsheet Five". Inactive during much of the Nineties. Except for the timeframe, the "conlanger" category seems to fit. --mh)<br />
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[[jbocre: This thread may be titled "Why Lojban Is Better Than English"|This thread may be titled "Why Lojban Is Better Than English"]]<br />
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''la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[jbocre: pc|pc]]? :-) ''<br />
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michael seems like a nice guy, though. ''Yup, that's what I meant by ''sui generis''! '' so whats with the comparison to [[jbocre: pc|pc]], then?<br />
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''Cause neither can be understood?'' Oh, Lordy. This is not the first time this has happened. In "[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else", And = [[jbocre: And Rosta|And Rosta]]! And I'm comparing And to pc because of their formal bias, though of course And is more formal than pc...<br />
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*Gee, I think I resent that. I also like to think of myself as the memory and conscience of the group, hewing closely to the original ideas (ideals?) of Loglan and mentioning when things go too far astray (in my opinion, of course). pc<br />
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This word '''growth''' makes me think you're discussing forests. Campaign to save the old growth Lojbanists from the timber industry.<br />
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*Yeah. I kinda like that. :-) -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]].</div>
Gleki