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= pertaining to the work of Richard Montague. I don't know that he's been that influential on Lojban, has he? --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
A [[jbocre: Proposed interpretive conventions|proposed interpretive convention]] suggested by [[User:xod|xod]] on the [[BPFK|BPFK]] forum, at http://www.lojban.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=51


Inasmuch as he's the guy who introduced lambda calculus to the analysis of human language semantics... -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
Considering ''pu'u'' to be based (loosely) on ''pruce'' (which it is), give ''pu'u broda kei'' an x3 place, meaning the result of the process (like the x3 place of ''pruce''). xod's examples:


From what little I know about either, I'd say he's had more influence on [[gua\spi]]. But I might be totally wrong. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
:'''ka'u le za'i morsi cu tepu'u zekri'''
:'''ju'a ro danlu cu tepu'u gletu'''
:'''xu le tepu'u sipna pu xamgu do'''


I believe that [[jbocre: pc|pc]] is a Montagovian, in the sense of someone who actually studied with Montague. --[[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]]
(reported on Wiki by [[User:Mark Shoulson|.mark.]])


I did indeed, and during the time that he was developing Montague Grammar, which is probably the main reason to be interested in him.  Montague  grammar is a cancellation grammar; that is, grammatical categories are named for what others they combine to produce what.  For example, terms (sumti) are category t, predicates are category t/S, where S is the category of sentences.  so, when a term and a predicate come together t t/S the t's cancel out and the result is S, a sentence.  Montague added a transformational component, so that to work the two pieces did not have to occur next to each other in the surface structure of the text. The cancellation  grammar lends itself nicely to Frege's sort of semantics -- things with holes in them are of a class with labelled holes.  For more, see ''Formal Philosophy'' and the Unicorn Papers.
What about a ''vepu'u'' for the inputs:


pc >|8}
:'''ju'ocu'i lo nu nitcu cu vepu'u zekri'''
:'''ju'a lo remei cu vepu'u gletu'''
:'''xu le vepu'u sipna pu xamgu do'''

Revision as of 17:09, 4 November 2013

A proposed interpretive convention suggested by xod on the BPFK forum, at http://www.lojban.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=51

Considering pu'u to be based (loosely) on pruce (which it is), give pu'u broda kei an x3 place, meaning the result of the process (like the x3 place of pruce). xod's examples:

ka'u le za'i morsi cu tepu'u zekri
ju'a ro danlu cu tepu'u gletu
xu le tepu'u sipna pu xamgu do

(reported on Wiki by .mark.)

What about a vepu'u for the inputs:

ju'ocu'i lo nu nitcu cu vepu'u zekri
ju'a lo remei cu vepu'u gletu
xu le vepu'u sipna pu xamgu do
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