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Opposites & Contraries.

The distinction between opposites (da de dukti) & contraries (da de vlina), traceable to William Blake (if not earlier), can be discerned in Lojban in a shadowy way. Simply put, opposites undo each other ("hot"-to-"cold") while contraries form two parts of a whole ("left" or "right"). The metaphors of binary thinking tend not to take cognizance of this distinction, which is essential to clear reasoning. But which of these two classes the pair fits into depends on perspective; someone could just as rightly claim that "left" and "right" cancel each other out, as direcions, and "hot" and "cold" are the two ends of the heat spectrum, making them parts of a whole. Thus the distinction is arbitrary, not absolute. It's akin to the physical phenomenon of energy sometimes being thought of as a particle and other times as a wave; neither type is actually distinguishable in nature, they are only different ways to envision the same concept.

How does vlina enter into any of this? Was da de te vlina meant? Isn't vlina about propositions? --xorxes

Which are these meant to be -- opposites or contraries? Most fit neither description above: neither cancelling out (to lukewarm?) nor being parts of some discernable whole.

cmalu barda

nanmu ninmu

nanla nixli

xlali xamgu

ruble tsali

mutce milxe

jetnu jitfa

pritu zunle

fatci cfika

birka tuple

xance jamfu

preti danfu

nandu frili

balvi purci

nenri bartu

jmive morsi

masno sutra

gusni manku

tordu clani

sampu pluja

xekri blabi

zmadu mleca

cnita gapru

sipna cikna

donri nicte

cerni vanci

jmina vimcu

ricfu pindi

cnino slabu

jibni darno

bebna prije

vensa critu

dunra crisa

clira lerci

carmi kandi

berti snanu

stuna stici

crane trixe

bersa tixnu

mensi bruna

tilju linto

glare lenku

sudga cilmo

kanro bilma

tcadu nurma

slami jilka

danlu spati

smaji cladu

caxno condi

ganlo kalri

dizlo galtu

loldi drudi

ganra jarki

rotsu cinla

palci vrude

tisna kunti

frica dunli

drata mintu

zabna mabla

fliba snada

gubni sivni

rarna rutni

junri xalbo

gunta bandu

xendo kusru

racli fenki

Dubious cases

cirko facki (cpacu)

jdari ranti

sepli kansa (jorne)

krasi fanmo

drani srera

cnici kalsa

kukte kurki

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+Opposites & Contraries.
-If you haven't already [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-register.php]
+The distinction between opposites (''da de dukti'') & contraries (''da de vlina''), traceable to William Blake (if not earlier), can be discerned in Lojban in a shadowy way. Simply put, opposites undo each other ("hot"-to-"cold") while contraries form two parts of a whole ("left" or "right"). The metaphors of [[jbocre: binary thinking|binary thinking]] tend not to take cognizance of this distinction, which is essential to clear reasoning. ''But which of these two classes the pair fits into depends on perspective; someone could just as rightly claim that "left" and "right" cancel each other out, as direcions, and "hot" and "cold" are the two ends of the heat spectrum, making them parts of a whole. Thus the distinction is arbitrary, not absolute.  It's akin to the physical phenomenon of energy sometimes being thought of as a particle and other times as a wave; neither type is actually distinguishable in nature, they are only different ways to envision the same concept.''
-Then just follow the template and feel free to add more fields.
+How does ''vlina'' enter into any of this? Was ''da de te vlina'' meant? Isn't ''vlina'' about propositions? --[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]
--=Template=-
+----
-* '''cAbna ma''' (happening simultaneously with what, or when?)
+''Which are these meant to be -- opposites or contraries? Most fit neither description above: neither cancelling out (to lukewarm?) nor being parts of some discernable whole.''
-* '''zvAti ma''' (at which event location, or where?)
-* '''ma djUno gAsnu''' (who?/what? is the knowledge cause)
+-----------
-* '''cIksi fo ma''' (explanation, or description)
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+cmalu barda
--=Stories=-
+nanmu ninmu
-'''Lokadin's First Time'''
+nanla nixli
-*'''cAbna ma''' spring of 2006
+xlali xamgu
-*'''zvAti ma''' irc.freenode.net #haskell
-*'''ma dJUno gAsnu''' shapr (channel regular)
+ruble tsali
-*'''cIksi fo ma'''
-The first time I heard about Lojban was on irc.freenode.net in #haskell, if I recall correctly shapr mentioned it to me when I was trying to describe the project I was working on, which is now in the progress of becoming the We With You Network, http://lokiworld.org. A node would consit of a computer with a programming language based on Lojban, coupled with fully dynamic lojban predicate functions, and a heavy dose of AI. Joining together to become a fully distributed network like Freenet http://freenetproject.org (get freenet, frost, and join the Lojban board, from there we will plan our Lojban marketing conquest of the world -- first step: making Lojban attitudinals Hip and Cool, use them everywhere! start now .ui.aisai  http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban/Attitudinals .o'a I'm sure  will do well]
+mutce milxe
-'''Timonator's First Time'''
+jetnu jitfa
-* '''cabna ma''' some time ago. don't remember
+pritu zunle
-* '''zvati ma''' [email protected]
-* '''ma djuno gasnu''' can't remember.
+fatci cfika
-The first time i learned about Lojban was when two guys in the Psi (a jabber client) conference room were talking about the Dvorak keyboard layout when one of the guys claimed that "typing lojban in Dvorak would make you the ultra geek" or something like that. From there i went to Wikipedia and due to the really good and exhaustive German Wikipedia article on Lojban landed on the irc channel. The rest is of no real interest to anyone I'd suppose ;)
+birka tuple
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+xance jamfu
-'''Mirhagk's First Time'''
+preti danfu
-* '''cabna ma''' About a month or two ago
+nandu frili
-* '''zvati ma''' http://xkcd.com
-* '''ma djuno gasnu''' can't remember.
+balvi purci
-I was just reading some xkcd comics and read about lojban, so I wikipedia'd it, and it sounded interesting enough, so I came here, started reading lojban lesson 0, then started reading through lojban for beginners.
+nenri bartu
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+jmive morsi
-'''Iesk's first time'''
+masno sutra
-* '''ni'o cabna ma'''  .i la pasosobinan. ju'oru'e  .i la xunre cukta ku zasti
+gusni manku
-* '''ni'o zvati ma'''  .i la rutpextcad. zo'o (to ne lo berti gugdedu'e toi)
-* '''ni'o ma djuno gasnu'''  .i la [[jbocre: biorn.|biorn.]] goi by.
+tordu clani
-* '''ni'o ciksi fi ma'''
-.i kansa zutse ne'i lo gusta be lo ga'arpatlu gi'e citka gi'e tavla fi lo runbau .i mi co'a cilre fi lo bangepu'o .i ba'anai by. mutce zanru la lojban. gi'e ciksi  .i .u'i mi jimpe ji'i no da ly.  .i ku'i mi co'a se cinri  .i ca lo go'i mi na jorne pe'a la .internet.  .i bazubo mi di'a za'e sezyjungau gi'e co'a tadni  .i caca'o tadni
+sampu pluja
-mu'o mi'e .iesk.
+xekri blabi
+zmadu mleca
+cnita gapru
+sipna cikna
+donri nicte
+cerni vanci
+jmina vimcu
+ricfu pindi
+cnino slabu
+jibni darno
+bebna prije
+vensa critu
+dunra crisa
+clira lerci
+carmi kandi
+berti snanu
+stuna stici
+crane trixe
+bersa tixnu
+mensi bruna
+tilju linto
+glare lenku
+sudga cilmo
+kanro bilma
+tcadu nurma
+slami jilka
+danlu spati
+smaji cladu
+caxno condi
+ganlo kalri
+dizlo galtu
+loldi drudi
+ganra jarki
+rotsu cinla
+palci vrude
+tisna kunti
+frica dunli
+drata mintu
+zabna mabla
+fliba snada
+gubni sivni
+rarna rutni
+junri xalbo
+gunta bandu
+xendo kusru
+racli fenki
+----
+'''Dubious cases'''
+cirko facki (cpacu)
+jdari ranti
+sepli kansa (jorne)
+krasi fanmo
+drani srera
+cnici kalsa
+kukte kurki

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