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[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]'s idea was that people should call each other at mutually convenient times for chats in Lojban.


The overall goal being to establish a broad level of conversational fluency in the lojban community.
These are projects which are semi-active and do not appear to have people directly responsible for them.


The tools to be used are primarily [[Skype]] and direct browser-to-browser chats like [http://appear.in/ appear.in].
== Dictionary ==


=== [[jbocre: Phone Group Topics|Phone Group Topics]] ===
The dictionary project is now entirely subsumed by a combination of [http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/ bovlaste] and [[baupla fuzykamni he BPFK|baupla fuzykamni he BPFK]] (or baupla fuzykamni).  The rest of the discussion here is for historical interest only.


A <u>lot</u> of people have expressed concern about the phone group with respect to the "well, what would we talk about?" issue. I'm pretty sure that discussions about that will take up a lot of space, so please see the [[jbocre: Phone Group Topics|Phone Group Topics]] page.
The [http://www.lojban.org/files/draft-dictionary/ENGDICT.ZIP raft Lojban dictionary] is online, compiled primarily by lojbab. It needs to have [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban lujvo|lujvo]] and [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban cmavo|cmavo]] added to it. Volunteers are welcome at all levels of expertise for [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban lujvo|lujvo]] definition work; there are thousands of words to be defined with more created all the time. [[jbocre: Lojbanic Community Links ora LeChevalier|Lojbanic Community Links ora LeChevalier]] serves as lead on the [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban lujvo|lujvo]] definition project. [[jbocre: Old Draft Dictionary The set of working files for additions to the dictionary|Old Draft Dictionary The set of working files for additions to the dictionary]] are available online.


Nowadays, [[jbocre: Story Time With Uncle Robin|Story Time With Uncle Robin]] is a recurring topic.
== Eaton Interface ==


=== Current Members ===
Helen Eaton's 1930s-era list of the most frequently used concepts in 4 European languages has long been a benchmark for completeness of the Lojban lexicon. Volunteers are welcome to translate one or more pages of words from this list to Lojban. The file [http://www.lojban.org/files/etymology/e eaton.zip] contains word lists by page and proposed [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban TLI|TLI]] Loglan words for each concept (the [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban tanru|tanru]] metaphors for the proposed [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban TLI|TLI]] words are often very poor, but could spark ideas).


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== LogFlash 2 ==


[[jbocre: Lojbanic Community Links ora LeChevalier|Lojbanic Community Links ora LeChevalier]] is working on a version of LogFlash for learning [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban rafsi|rafsi]] and [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban lujvo|lujvo]]-making. The prior version became unmaintainably obsolete in 1989.


|| Name
== LogFlash Language Learning research ==
|| E-Mail
|| Time
|| Skype ID
|| Expertise
|| <nowiki>#lojban Nickname</nowiki>


|-
lojbab gathers data from all Lojbanists willing to use LogFlash on a systematic basis for a few months. This data will help prove or disprove the meaningfulness of the recognition scores used to create Lojban [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban gismu|gismu]] and may lead to publishable general research in the field of second-language learning. Contact [http://www.lojban.org/llg/mailto:lojban@lojban.org ojbab] if interested.
|| [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|| rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=900 PST]
|| rlpowell
|| Expert
|| rlpowell


|-
== [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban TLI|TLI]] Loglan Interface ==
|| Ark Balandin
||
|| GMT + 4
|| ark.balandin
|| Expert
|| .ark.balandin.


|-
If there is ever to be a reunification of the two Loglan language communities, the first step will necessarily be a translation interface mapping words and grammar from [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban TLI|TLI]] Loglan to Lojban (the other direction may also be desirable, but would be more difficult, and we intend to coalesce the community around the Lojban baseline in any event). The first step in this, a mapping of [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban gismu|gismu]] and [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban cmavo|cmavo]], has been done, although there has been no accounting for [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban placestructure|place structures]] of the [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban TLI|TLI]] Loglan [[jbocre: Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban gismu|gismu]], and the work may be slightly outdated. See [http://www.lojban.org/files/draft-dictionary/Working/O OLDLOG.TXT] for the work that has been done.
|| [[jbocre: Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|| fracture@allusion.net
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=75 CST]
||
||
||


|-
== Random Sentence Generator ==
|| [[jbocre: Pierre Abbat|Pierre Abbat]]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=412 EST]
|| 
|| Beginner
||


|-
This is being updated to be consistent with the baselined grammar. The existing program on this site dates back to grammar 2.08, about 8 years old. The update is low priority.
|| [[jbocre: bancus|Theodore Reed]]
|| rizen@surreality.us
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=865 PST]
|| tedreed
|| Intermediate
|| bancus


|-
See also [[jbocre: random sentence generator he random sentence generator page on the wiki|random sentence generator he random sentence generator page on the wiki]].
|| [[User:Tsali|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
|| arj tu'i bu nvg denpa bu org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=288 CET]
||
|| Intermediate
|| Broca


|-
== Textbook ==
|| [[jbocre: Xavier|Steve Pomeroy]]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=43 EST]
|| ?
|| Beginner
|| Xavier


|-
Note that this project has largely been superseded by [[jbocre: Lojban For Beginners, The Book|Lojban For Beginners, The Book]].
|| [[User:xod|xod]]
|| xod ne'i balvi pi'e org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=43 EST]
|| 
|| Intermediate/Expert
||


|-
A [[jbocre: Old Draft Textbook raft of the textbook|Old Draft Textbook raft of the textbook]] is available online, but it is out of date and incomplete. No one is working on it right now; it is considered fairly low priority until the dictionary is done. The main limitation in the existing draft is that a lot of beginner texts are needed which are both interesting and without use of esoteric features of the language. People tend to move beyond the beginner stage very rapidly once they start trying to use the language non-trivially, and few therefore end up able to confine themselves to the most basic features of the language.
|| [[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=945 CET]
|| ?
|| Beginner/Intermediate
||
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Stephen Weeks|Stephen Weeks]]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=220 MST]
|| srweeks
|| Intermediate
|| Tene
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: pne|Philip Newton]]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=307 CEST]
|| ?
|| Beginner
||
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=77 EST]
|| matt_arnold
|| Beginner
|| Eppcott
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Adam Lopresto|Adam Lopresto]]
|| adam ne'i pubcrawler pi'e org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=605 CDT]
|| adamlopresto
|| Beginner/Intermediate
||
 
|-
|| Kevin Reid
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 EDT]
|| kpreid
|| Intermediate
|| kpreid
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Yanis Batura|Yanis Batura]]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/results.html?query=Novosibirsk GMT +6]
|| soyendo
|| Beginner
|| Yanis
 
|-
|| Alex Martini
|| EST
|| amartini51
|| Beginner/Intermediate
|| aleks
 
|-
|| Jonathan Strickland
|| [http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 EDT]
|| ?
|| Beginner/Intermediate
|| djanatyn
 
|-
|| William McMillian
||
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=220 MDT]
|| William McMillian
|| Beginner
|| Very_Bill
 
|-
|| [[User:.rem.klajis.|Remy Way]]
|| EST
|| rem.klajis
|| Beginner/Intermediate
|| remklajis
 
|-
|| Gianmarco Molino
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=220 MDT]
|| mercrutio.11235813
|| Beginner
|| mercrutio
 
|-
|| Brett Williams
|| EST
|| selckiku
|| Expert
|| selckiku
 
|-
|| Ashley P.
|| EST
|| kiriel.ambar
|| Beginner
|| eclen
 
|-
|| ?
|| GMT+2
|| mikkommm
|| Beginner
|| spfnym
 
|}
 
=== Joining ===
 
We welcome ''anyone'', regardless of expertise, physical location or monetary resources.  If you can't speak much lojban, well, learning to understand others will help.  If you can't afford to make long distance phone calls, one of the other members will be happy to call you.  If that doesn't work, [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]'m willing to pony up calling card money just to get this going.
 
To join, just add people above to your skype friends' list and ask who might be available to talk with you.
 
In an ideal universe, [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]'d like to see people matched up with people of very different levels of ability, to spread the expertise around as quickly as possible, but I'm not hugely attached to that.
 
=== Lojban On The Phone ===
 
Please bear in mind, everyone, that collision avoidance is hard on the phone.  Please become familiar with ta'a, re'i, be'e, je'e, ki'a and ke'o. Especially that last one.  :-)
 
Here's a [[jbocre: vlaselyle'u|phonetic alphabet]] for spelling words on the phone.
 
=== About Expertise ===
 
The "expertise" field in the members table is currently rather informal, and you are welcome to alter yours as you feel appropriate.  ''However'', [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]] have had my expertise certified, as it were, by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], in person.  The reason I bothered, besides my ego, was that I want the option of making the phone group into a ranking system, similar to Chess rankings.  In other words, if you want to be certified Expert level, you ask me or Nick to take some time to call you up and basically hammer away at you for an hour.  You, in turn, can then certify people at rankings below Expert (or, possibly, at or below expert).
 
I doubt very much that it's necessary to say so, but please note that any use of word lists in any such tests would be cheating.
 
The infrastructure to do this is not in place, but I'd like people to keep it in mind as a future goal. Thanks to tsali's accidental suggestion, allow me to suggest that we will probably charge for the certification, all proceeds to the LLG of course.
 
==== Expertise Rankings ====
 
* Fluent: No concious thought required to speak in Lojban for any but the most complex conversations, and even then the mental work should not normally be about Lojbanic grammar or vocabulary.  A good test for Fluency is whether you are able to engage in a complicated Lojban conversation whilst also doing something else, something that you could do at the same time as having a conversation in your native toungue.
* Expert: Able to engage in conversation in lojban with only minor and occasional pauses for thought.
 
* Intermediate: Comfortable with one of Lojban grammar ''or'' Lojban vocabulary, but not both.
* Beginner: Requires word lists to converse, not comfortable with Lojban grammar.
 
Note that all expertise rankings mentioned on this page are with respect to ''spoken'', ''conversational'' Lojban '''''only'''''.  Note further that neither Nick or [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]] consider ourselves Fluent.  Everyone ''else'' seems to consider Nick fluent, though, so this may just be that we have high standards of the word Fluency.  Since I started this group, though, I get to define the terms.
 
There used to be a mailing list for discussing the phone group; it was called jbofongri, and can be found [http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ here].

Revision as of 11:50, 23 March 2014

These are projects which are semi-active and do not appear to have people directly responsible for them.

Dictionary

The dictionary project is now entirely subsumed by a combination of bovlaste and baupla fuzykamni he BPFK (or baupla fuzykamni). The rest of the discussion here is for historical interest only.

The raft Lojban dictionary is online, compiled primarily by lojbab. It needs to have lujvo and cmavo added to it. Volunteers are welcome at all levels of expertise for lujvo definition work; there are thousands of words to be defined with more created all the time. Lojbanic Community Links ora LeChevalier serves as lead on the lujvo definition project. Old Draft Dictionary The set of working files for additions to the dictionary are available online.

Eaton Interface

Helen Eaton's 1930s-era list of the most frequently used concepts in 4 European languages has long been a benchmark for completeness of the Lojban lexicon. Volunteers are welcome to translate one or more pages of words from this list to Lojban. The file eaton.zip contains word lists by page and proposed TLI Loglan words for each concept (the tanru metaphors for the proposed TLI words are often very poor, but could spark ideas).

LogFlash 2

Lojbanic Community Links ora LeChevalier is working on a version of LogFlash for learning rafsi and lujvo-making. The prior version became unmaintainably obsolete in 1989.

LogFlash Language Learning research

lojbab gathers data from all Lojbanists willing to use LogFlash on a systematic basis for a few months. This data will help prove or disprove the meaningfulness of the recognition scores used to create Lojban gismu and may lead to publishable general research in the field of second-language learning. Contact ojbab if interested.

TLI Loglan Interface

If there is ever to be a reunification of the two Loglan language communities, the first step will necessarily be a translation interface mapping words and grammar from TLI Loglan to Lojban (the other direction may also be desirable, but would be more difficult, and we intend to coalesce the community around the Lojban baseline in any event). The first step in this, a mapping of gismu and cmavo, has been done, although there has been no accounting for place structures of the TLI Loglan gismu, and the work may be slightly outdated. See OLDLOG.TXT for the work that has been done.

Random Sentence Generator

This is being updated to be consistent with the baselined grammar. The existing program on this site dates back to grammar 2.08, about 8 years old. The update is low priority.

See also random sentence generator he random sentence generator page on the wiki.

Textbook

Note that this project has largely been superseded by Lojban For Beginners, The Book.

A Old Draft Textbook raft of the textbook is available online, but it is out of date and incomplete. No one is working on it right now; it is considered fairly low priority until the dictionary is done. The main limitation in the existing draft is that a lot of beginner texts are needed which are both interesting and without use of esoteric features of the language. People tend to move beyond the beginner stage very rapidly once they start trying to use the language non-trivially, and few therefore end up able to confine themselves to the most basic features of the language.

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