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== Lojbanic Forums ==
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== la lojbangirz. - The Logical Language Group, Inc. ==
  
This page contains a list of various forums in which people discuss Lojban or discuss in Lojban, in approximate order of popularity as far as the main community is aware.
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[[Contact Us ontact Information|Contact Us ontact Information]]
  
=== Lojban IRC{ANAME()}irc{ANAME} ===
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=== What is The Logical Language Group? ===
  
[[Lojban IRC|Lojban IRC]] is very active, with 75 or more people in channel most of the time. It is by far the best way to practice real-time Lojban conversation, and sometimes it's possible to get people there to join voice chat sessions, as well.  [[Lojban IRC|Lojban IRC]] provides an excellent informal meeting place for conversing quickly in Lojban. It is beginner-friendly, as well. The IRC channel can be reached by pointing your IRC program at irc.lojban.org or using [[jbocre: /irc/ ur web-based IRC client]] and entering the #lojban channel, or the good-looking  [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=lojban%2Cjbopre%2C%23%23ckule%2Cmakfa reenode Web IRC].
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The Logical Language Group, Inc. is a non-profit organization, the
  
There is also a #jbopre channel, for less-topical discussion by Lojbanists.
+
embodiment of the Loglan/Lojban community. We were founded to
  
Here is an [[jbocre: IRC cheat sheet|IRC cheat sheet]] for people who are still learning Lojban.
+
complete the language development process, to develop and publish
  
===  Primary Web & E-Mail Forums{ANAME()}lists{ANAME} ===
+
teaching materials, to organize and teach the community, to promote
  
The two main forums for persistent, threaded conversation are presented as both web forums and e-mail mailing lists, using Google Groups.  There is also an announcement list, which should reach just about everyone actively involved in Lojban with an email address.
+
applications of Lojban, and to initiate and lead research efforts in
  
====  The Main Forum ====
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linguistics, language education, and other areas related to Lojban.
  
[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/topics he Lojban General Web Forum / Mailing List] is probably still the best way to reach a broad cross-section of the Lojban community for active discussion.  It has about 500 subscribers, and has existed more-or-less continuously since 1989.
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Simply put, our purpose is to serve you in all manner of things
  
Any conversation at all about or in Lojban is on-topic for this list. For discussions specifically about learning the language, the Beginners list is a better choice.  For discussions solely in Lojban, there's jbosnu, but it's got a much smaller subscriber list.
+
Lojbanic. The Logical Language Group is not affiliated with The
  
====  The Beginners Forum ====
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Loglan Institute, Inc., (TLI) the organization founded by James
  
[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/topics he Lojban Beginners Web Forum / Mailing List] is for discussions related to learning Lojban.  Anything about how to understand a part of the language, how to learn it better, study tools, actual teaching sessions, and so on, is on topic.  Nothing else is.
+
Cooke Brown.  You can [The Loglan-Lojban Dispute|read more about
  
====  The Announcement List ====
+
the dispute] between the LLG and TLI.
  
[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-announcements/ he Lojban Announcements Web Forum / Mailing List] is for single posts on topics of general community interest.
+
The Logical Language Group is also called "''la lojbangirz.''"
  
All posts to this list are moderated, and all must include a description for where followup conversation should go. For example: "there are now Lojban flashcards on smart.fm; follow up discussion should go to the Beginners list" (but presumably with more detail).  This is ''NOT'' a discussion list.  The list does not set Reply-To, so you should set it to where you want followup discussion to go, if you know how.
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(/lah-lozh-BAHN-geerz./), its Lojban name. It was founded informally
  
The announcement list sends to just about every Lojban email list there is. People can also subscribe to it directly, if they want to get announcements of general community interest but do not want to be on the main mailing lists.
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in 1987, and incorporated in 1988. The U. S. Internal Revenue
  
Anything likely to be of interest to large segments of the Lojban community is on topic.  In particular, "I'm starting Lojbanic project X and need help/feedback" is what the list is primarily intended for.
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Service approved our status as a 501(c)(3) non-profit
  
===  Other Mailing Lists ===
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educational/scientific charity in 1989, making donations and grants
  
Other than the primary mailing lists, the following special interest lists exist:
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to the organization deductible under U. S. tax law.
  
* [http://groups.google.com/group/xedbig/ edbig], AKA Hedwig, a private, moderated list with rules (you must be nice, you must speak in Lojban, and you may not criticise how other people speak Lojban)
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=== How does The Logical Language Group serve the community? ===
* [http://groups.google.com/gorup/lodockikumazvati/ unkei fi la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u] (Play "Where are you Keys?: Lojban")
 
  
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-pl/ ojban-pl], the Polish Lojban list
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We try to keep the community informed. Not everyone has the time
* [http://groups.google.com/group/b budjo], for discussion of Buddhism
 
  
* [http://groups.google.com/group/k kasyjda], for discussion of the chaos religions, such as Discordianism
+
available to participate in all of our activities. A newsletter, "''le
* [http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list he bpfk mailing list], for language development issues
 
  
* [http://groups.google.com/group/x xadni], a largely unused list for discussion of the experience of having a body, or something like that
+
lojbo karni''" (LK), is sent to everyone in the community. A longer
*  le jbocertu cu bau casnu vecu'u [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jbosnu a jbosnu]{ANAME()}jbosnu{ANAME} (nothing but spam these days)
 
  
*  The [http://www.lojban.org/lists/j jboske], or lojbanic science list is for extremely detailed discussions of technical and linguistic issues related to Lojban.  (Subscribe at [http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ he lojban.org mailing list interface].)
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journal, "''ju'i lobypli''" (JL), is also published for those with more
*  [http://groups.google.com/group/j jbofanva] is a mailing list for translation projects.
 
  
*  [http://groups.google.com/group/j jefnuz] is a subscribe-and-don't-post list for receiving the weekly community news.
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serious interest. JL contains discussions of features of the
*  [http://groups.google.com/group/s snakarni] is a list for audio-bloggers, especially for CinchCast users.
 
  
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojhbanistoj oĵbanistoj] is a lojban mailing list where discussions occur in Esperanto
+
language, debates on research issues and applications, letters from
  
===  Voice ===
+
the community and responses, and a growing quantity of Lojban
  
*The [[jbocre: Lojbanic Phone Group|Lojbanic Phone Group]]: arrange a voice call (phone or VoIP) with another Lojban speaker at any skill level.
+
writings and translations.
*[[jbocre: Mumble|Mumble]]: a vocal chatroom
 
  
* [http://cinchcast.com/ inch] is an audio-blogging service which allows its users to record directly to the website or phone in to record.
+
Our publications are free of advertisements (other than our own
  
===  Microblogging{ANAME()}microblogging{ANAME} ===
+
ordering information, and occasional mention of individuals and
  
As microblogging has become more popular among the internets as a whole, it's also started to be noticed in Lojbanistan.
+
organizations who have contributed particular service to our
  
====  identi.ca ====
+
efforts), and we do not sell our mailing list. Our publications are
  
Sometimes known as la [http://identi.ca/ aidentikar.]  There's a Lojban group called !lojban.
+
distributed as cheaply as possible to encourage new people to
  
====  Twitter ====
+
participate. In the interest of attracting the widest audience
  
Lojbanic posts on [http://twitter.com/ witter] are sometimes tagged #lojban, but it's also fun to [http://search.twitter.com/search?q=lojban earch for Lojban without the #] to see what random strangers are saying about us! 
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possible, we are committed to distributing as much material as
  
===  Other Forums{ANAME()}other{ANAME} ===
+
possible using the 'Shareware' concept for computer software and a
  
==== The Lojban MOO ====
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similar policy for printed publications. This policy retains our
  
[[jbocre: The Lojban MOO|The Lojban MOO]] is a type of MUD (a multi-user online text adventure game, sort of) that is fully bilingual in its command set.
+
copyrights but allows you, with relatively little restriction, to
  
==== jboselkei ====
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copy our materials for your friends, as long as you don't charge for
  
[http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ boselkei] is an online game of translation from English to Lojban, featuring rating calculation for users. If you don't know how this or that is translated to Lojban, ask it in jboselkei, and as the game proceeds, expect to see one or even more translations of your 'post' made by jboselkei players, with comments. If you are an experienced lojbanist, you will always find a couple or more challenging 'tough nuts' awaiting your translation and promising rating points. jboselkei first appeared in Beta form in mid March 2006, and was upgraded for appearance and usability in November 2006. Playing in jboselkei is very exciting; you are welcome to join!
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the copies. We also ask that recipients of copies register with us,
  
==== The Lojbanic Interactive Story ====
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so that we know who has our materials. Such registration does not
  
[http://www.lojban.org/story/story.pl he Lojbanic Interactive Story] is a web-based story writing forum.  The story itself is all in Lojban.  Anyone can add to it, please go contribute!
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require contribution.
  
==== PHP based dedicated forum sites ====
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Certain materials that we publish contain information that we place
  
* [http://lojban.7.forumer.com/index.php ojban.forumer]
+
in the public domain. All language definition information is
  
==== LiveJournal ====
+
considered to be public.
  
There has been a [http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/ iveJournal community] for Lojban for a long time, though it's often sleepy.
+
You can participate in the Lojban community at several levels of
  
===  Archives Of Past Discussion ===
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activity, listed on the detachable registration form that
  
====  Mailing List Archives ====
+
accompanies this brochure. Contributor's costs can range from as
  
There are locally stored archives of a number of lists.
+
little as $5-$10 per year to receive only "''le lojbo karni''", to
  
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list he main Lojban mailing list] is no longer updated
+
greater amounts for people actively learning the language. We
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-beginners he lojban-beginners list] is no longer updated
 
  
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-es ojban-es, the Spanish Lojban list]
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automatically send you materials based on your indicated level of
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-fr ojban-fr, the French Lojban list]
 
  
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/jboske boske, the list for technical discussions of Lojban]
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activity; this minimizes individual order processing and simplifies
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/bpfk-announce he BPFK announcement list]
 
  
The Google Groups lists should have complete, searchable archives stored in Google Groups itself.
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our paperwork, keeping our costs down.
  
In addition to this, for research purposes, there are as-complete-as-humanly-possible archives of all Google Groups lists stored as UNIX mail files on one of the lojban.org computers.  If you need access to them, [[jbocre: ailto:[email protected] ail the LLG secretary]].
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If you are attempting to learn the language, we provide as much help
  
==== IRC Logs ====
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as we can to assist in this process. We will put you in touch with
  
[[jbocre: resources/irclog/ ublic logs of the lojbanic portions of the IRC channel]] are available.
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Lojbanists who might be interested in studying or communicating with
  
'''Note:''' the logs are filtered so that they contain only lojbanic text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem, and the [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]] explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]].
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you in the language. You can also send your writings to us for
  
Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein.
+
review, or for indirect exchange with others. Grammatically correct
 +
 
 +
writings may be selected for printing in our publications. We try to
 +
 
 +
foster research and social interaction among those who are learning,
 +
 
 +
or who have already learned the language. We aid such people in
 +
 
 +
organizing, leading, and teaching formal classes and study groups,
 +
 
 +
and will sponsor affiliated groups in local areas where non-profit
 +
 
 +
sponsorship brings useful benefits.
 +
 
 +
We also conduct an annual (July or August) celebration of the
 +
 
 +
language and community, called "LogFest", in conjunction with our
 +
 
 +
annual business meeting in the Washington DC area. We also expect to
 +
 
 +
support other local meetings and gatherings as the community grows.
 +
 
 +
We are seeking avenues to engage in larger research efforts and to
 +
 
 +
actively work on applications for the language. Thus we are seeking
 +
 
 +
grants and contracts, as well as financial and technical assistance
 +
 
 +
from individuals, companies, and universities. These are a
 +
 
 +
relatively low priority now, but their importance is expected to
 +
 
 +
grow as the teaching materials are completed and the language
 +
 
 +
stabilization is completed. Ideas and information in these areas are
 +
 
 +
welcome.
 +
 
 +
Of course, we also try to publicize the language. Our
 +
 
 +
representatives attend meetings and give presentations on the
 +
 
 +
language. We distribute these brochures. Through our efforts, and
 +
 
 +
with your help, the community of Lojbanists is rapidly growing.
 +
 
 +
Finances Loglan/Lojban has been developed almost totally by
 +
 
 +
volunteer labor and small donations of money. Lojban attracts people
 +
 
 +
who are willing to devote a lot of time and effort to seeing their
 +
 
 +
dreams become reality. Thus, our only income has been money derived
 +
 
 +
from sales of our publications, and donations from interested
 +
 
 +
supporters.
 +
 
 +
The Logical Language Group publishes and sells materials on a
 +
 
 +
balance/credit system. We distribute materials to people and ask
 +
 
 +
that they contribute to cover the costs of those materials. All
 +
 
 +
language definition information is considered in the public domain,
 +
 
 +
and most Logical Language Group publications are distributed under a
 +
 
 +
policy which allows not-for-charge copying and redistribution.
 +
 
 +
Computer versions of many of our publications are available. We ask
 +
 
 +
that people who receive our materials under any of these alternate
 +
 
 +
means to register your interest in Lojban with us so we may better
 +
 
 +
serve that community, and donate liberally so that we may continue
 +
 
 +
to serve you.
 +
 
 +
We ask that you keep a positive account balance of up to a year or
 +
 
 +
more of expected expenditures for orders, as indicated on our
 +
 
 +
[[Old LLG Registration Form egistration|Old LLG Registration Form egistration]] and
 +
 
 +
[[Old LLG Order Form rder forms|Old LLG Order Form rder forms]]. Such balance money serves as our day-to-day operating
 +
 
 +
funds. We will refund positive balance contributions within 6 weeks
 +
 
 +
of your request. If you move without notifying us and we therefore
 +
 
 +
cannot contact you, we will maintain your positive balance for a
 +
 
 +
year before treating it as a donation.
 +
 
 +
Most materials that we sell require either prior payment, an
 +
 
 +
informal commitment to pay on your part, or your statement that you
 +
 
 +
cannot afford to pay for materials (in which case our supplying
 +
 
 +
these materials is at our discretion). We attempt to flexibly
 +
 
 +
support Lojbanists with financial constraints, and will accept
 +
 
 +
reasonable offers of reduced or delayed payments subject to our
 +
 
 +
financial condition, coupled with your commitment to actively
 +
 
 +
maintain contact and involvement with the community through us.
 +
 
 +
Obviously, the level of your prior and current activity and any
 +
 
 +
commitments you make in learning the language or in volunteer work
 +
 
 +
for "''la lojbangirz.''" will be factored into our decision. la
 +
 
 +
lojbangirz. has a special commitment to support non-U. S.
 +
 
 +
Lojbanists, because so many of the language goals are dependent on
 +
 
 +
building an international community of speakers, and because we
 +
 
 +
recognize the difficulties caused by the international currency
 +
 
 +
market and the relative wealth of nations. We can accept bank
 +
 
 +
cheques in most currencies and international payment via Master Card
 +
 
 +
and Visa. We also encourage groups to form and receive a single copy
 +
 
 +
of our materials, copying or passing them to others so that the
 +
 
 +
per-person costs remain low. We require a lower standard of contact
 +
 
 +
and contribution from overseas Lojbanists when deciding on whether
 +
 
 +
to continue sending our materials at reduced or no charge.
 +
 
 +
We ask that all recipients of our materials voluntarily contribute
 +
 
 +
what you can, and to maintain sufficient funds in your balance to
 +
 
 +
cover our suggested prices. These will be deducted automatically
 +
 
 +
when we send you materials. We will notify you requesting more money
 +
 
 +
when your balance becomes negative. We reserve the right to refuse
 +
 
 +
orders when your balance is not fully paid, but again will make
 +
 
 +
every effort to support those who support Lojban through their time,
 +
 
 +
commitment, and money.
 +
 
 +
You have no legal obligation to pay for materials sent to you
 +
 
 +
without your request, but such materials will be charged against
 +
 
 +
your balance in the absence of any agreement otherwise, with
 +
 
 +
adjustments made to that balance per agreement. If we accept an
 +
 
 +
offer of reduced payment from you, we will charge that amount to
 +
 
 +
your balance.
 +
 
 +
We ask all recipients of our materials to help us financially in any
 +
 
 +
way you can. The Logical Language Group needs your gifts for support
 +
 
 +
of the Loglan/Lojban project. Artificial languages are historically
 +
 
 +
not financially lucrative, and have difficulty receiving outside
 +
 
 +
support. The Logical Language Group, Inc. is prohibited by its
 +
 
 +
bylaws from spending more than 10% of its expenses for
 +
 
 +
administrative purposes, except by special agreement with a donor
 +
 
 +
who agrees to cover such added costs in full.
 +
 
 +
'''.e'osai ko sarji la lojban - Please! support Lojban'''

Latest revision as of 08:27, 30 June 2014

la lojbangirz. - The Logical Language Group, Inc.

Contact Us ontact Information

What is The Logical Language Group?

The Logical Language Group, Inc. is a non-profit organization, the

embodiment of the Loglan/Lojban community. We were founded to

complete the language development process, to develop and publish

teaching materials, to organize and teach the community, to promote

applications of Lojban, and to initiate and lead research efforts in

linguistics, language education, and other areas related to Lojban.

Simply put, our purpose is to serve you in all manner of things

Lojbanic. The Logical Language Group is not affiliated with The

Loglan Institute, Inc., (TLI) the organization founded by James

Cooke Brown. You can [The Loglan-Lojban Dispute|read more about

the dispute] between the LLG and TLI.

The Logical Language Group is also called "la lojbangirz."

(/lah-lozh-BAHN-geerz./), its Lojban name. It was founded informally

in 1987, and incorporated in 1988. The U. S. Internal Revenue

Service approved our status as a 501(c)(3) non-profit

educational/scientific charity in 1989, making donations and grants

to the organization deductible under U. S. tax law.

How does The Logical Language Group serve the community?

We try to keep the community informed. Not everyone has the time

available to participate in all of our activities. A newsletter, "le

lojbo karni" (LK), is sent to everyone in the community. A longer

journal, "ju'i lobypli" (JL), is also published for those with more

serious interest. JL contains discussions of features of the

language, debates on research issues and applications, letters from

the community and responses, and a growing quantity of Lojban

writings and translations.

Our publications are free of advertisements (other than our own

ordering information, and occasional mention of individuals and

organizations who have contributed particular service to our

efforts), and we do not sell our mailing list. Our publications are

distributed as cheaply as possible to encourage new people to

participate. In the interest of attracting the widest audience

possible, we are committed to distributing as much material as

possible using the 'Shareware' concept for computer software and a

similar policy for printed publications. This policy retains our

copyrights but allows you, with relatively little restriction, to

copy our materials for your friends, as long as you don't charge for

the copies. We also ask that recipients of copies register with us,

so that we know who has our materials. Such registration does not

require contribution.

Certain materials that we publish contain information that we place

in the public domain. All language definition information is

considered to be public.

You can participate in the Lojban community at several levels of

activity, listed on the detachable registration form that

accompanies this brochure. Contributor's costs can range from as

little as $5-$10 per year to receive only "le lojbo karni", to

greater amounts for people actively learning the language. We

automatically send you materials based on your indicated level of

activity; this minimizes individual order processing and simplifies

our paperwork, keeping our costs down.

If you are attempting to learn the language, we provide as much help

as we can to assist in this process. We will put you in touch with

Lojbanists who might be interested in studying or communicating with

you in the language. You can also send your writings to us for

review, or for indirect exchange with others. Grammatically correct

writings may be selected for printing in our publications. We try to

foster research and social interaction among those who are learning,

or who have already learned the language. We aid such people in

organizing, leading, and teaching formal classes and study groups,

and will sponsor affiliated groups in local areas where non-profit

sponsorship brings useful benefits.

We also conduct an annual (July or August) celebration of the

language and community, called "LogFest", in conjunction with our

annual business meeting in the Washington DC area. We also expect to

support other local meetings and gatherings as the community grows.

We are seeking avenues to engage in larger research efforts and to

actively work on applications for the language. Thus we are seeking

grants and contracts, as well as financial and technical assistance

from individuals, companies, and universities. These are a

relatively low priority now, but their importance is expected to

grow as the teaching materials are completed and the language

stabilization is completed. Ideas and information in these areas are

welcome.

Of course, we also try to publicize the language. Our

representatives attend meetings and give presentations on the

language. We distribute these brochures. Through our efforts, and

with your help, the community of Lojbanists is rapidly growing.

Finances Loglan/Lojban has been developed almost totally by

volunteer labor and small donations of money. Lojban attracts people

who are willing to devote a lot of time and effort to seeing their

dreams become reality. Thus, our only income has been money derived

from sales of our publications, and donations from interested

supporters.

The Logical Language Group publishes and sells materials on a

balance/credit system. We distribute materials to people and ask

that they contribute to cover the costs of those materials. All

language definition information is considered in the public domain,

and most Logical Language Group publications are distributed under a

policy which allows not-for-charge copying and redistribution.

Computer versions of many of our publications are available. We ask

that people who receive our materials under any of these alternate

means to register your interest in Lojban with us so we may better

serve that community, and donate liberally so that we may continue

to serve you.

We ask that you keep a positive account balance of up to a year or

more of expected expenditures for orders, as indicated on our

Old LLG Registration Form egistration and

Old LLG Order Form rder forms. Such balance money serves as our day-to-day operating

funds. We will refund positive balance contributions within 6 weeks

of your request. If you move without notifying us and we therefore

cannot contact you, we will maintain your positive balance for a

year before treating it as a donation.

Most materials that we sell require either prior payment, an

informal commitment to pay on your part, or your statement that you

cannot afford to pay for materials (in which case our supplying

these materials is at our discretion). We attempt to flexibly

support Lojbanists with financial constraints, and will accept

reasonable offers of reduced or delayed payments subject to our

financial condition, coupled with your commitment to actively

maintain contact and involvement with the community through us.

Obviously, the level of your prior and current activity and any

commitments you make in learning the language or in volunteer work

for "la lojbangirz." will be factored into our decision. la

lojbangirz. has a special commitment to support non-U. S.

Lojbanists, because so many of the language goals are dependent on

building an international community of speakers, and because we

recognize the difficulties caused by the international currency

market and the relative wealth of nations. We can accept bank

cheques in most currencies and international payment via Master Card

and Visa. We also encourage groups to form and receive a single copy

of our materials, copying or passing them to others so that the

per-person costs remain low. We require a lower standard of contact

and contribution from overseas Lojbanists when deciding on whether

to continue sending our materials at reduced or no charge.

We ask that all recipients of our materials voluntarily contribute

what you can, and to maintain sufficient funds in your balance to

cover our suggested prices. These will be deducted automatically

when we send you materials. We will notify you requesting more money

when your balance becomes negative. We reserve the right to refuse

orders when your balance is not fully paid, but again will make

every effort to support those who support Lojban through their time,

commitment, and money.

You have no legal obligation to pay for materials sent to you

without your request, but such materials will be charged against

your balance in the absence of any agreement otherwise, with

adjustments made to that balance per agreement. If we accept an

offer of reduced payment from you, we will charge that amount to

your balance.

We ask all recipients of our materials to help us financially in any

way you can. The Logical Language Group needs your gifts for support

of the Loglan/Lojban project. Artificial languages are historically

not financially lucrative, and have difficulty receiving outside

support. The Logical Language Group, Inc. is prohibited by its

bylaws from spending more than 10% of its expenses for

administrative purposes, except by special agreement with a donor

who agrees to cover such added costs in full.

.e'osai ko sarji la lojban - Please! support Lojban