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A proposal by [[User:Ctefaho|la Ctefà'o]] to re-define '''[[BPFK Section: sumtcita Formants|fi'o]]''' based on {{jvs|xoi}}:
A proposal by [[User:Ctefaho|la Ctefá'o]] to re-define '''[[BPFK Section: sumtcita Formants|fi'o]]''' based on {{jvs|xoi}}:




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New Definition:
New Definition:
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
| broda fi'o brode ko'a|| ||broda xoi fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a se'u
| broda fi'o brode ko'a|| ||broda xoi ke'a zo'u ko'a brode
|}
|}
With the experimential new-'''zi'e''' the scope simply becomes that of [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead.
With the experimential new-'''zi'e''' ('''zi'ei''' for conformist alternative) in front of the '''fi'o''', '''{zi'e(i) fi'o broda}''', the scope simply becomes that of [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead. *** A new-zi'e page will be created soon ***


An earlier version of this proposal used '''{broda xoi ke'a fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a}''' as the definition. La Ctefá'o now prefers the zo'u-version instead to allow the broadest, sensical meaning possible.


The use of '''do'e''' in this definition relies on it being able to take the place of '''FA''', as well as the place of other tags. If that is not considered to be possible for '''do'e''' then '''{broda xoi ke'a zo'u fa ko'a brode se'u}''' is the alternative definition.
But in other words, '''fi'o''' is now a short-hand form of '''xoi''' ((new-)'''soi''', with new-'''zi'e'''). If you need to be very specific with how the '''ke'a''' relates inside the '''xoi''', then use '''xoi''' directly instead.
Do not use '''fi'o''' if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from '''ke'a zo'u'''!  And if you really do need the '''.i joi''' semantics for something then simply use '''.i joi''' directly instead.


In other words, '''fi'o''' is now a short-hand form of '''xoi''' ((new-)'''soi''', with new-'''zi'e'''). Any tags based on '''fi'o''' are considered short-hand forms of certain specific '''xoi'''-constructs (and again, their scope changes to '''soi''' with '''zi'e''').
Keep in mind that the '''ke'a''' is '''lo su'u no'a ku''' for both '''xoi''' and '''soi''', if you are not used to them. *** Basic '''"soi vs. xoi"''' TODO ***


If you feel you need to be very specific with how the '''ke'a''' relates inside the '''xoi''', then use '''xoi''' directly instead. Do not use '''fi'o'''/BAI if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from '''do'e ke'a'''! And keep in mind that the '''ke'a''' is '''lo su'u no'a ku''' (for both '''xoi''' and '''soi''').


If you really do want the '''.i joi''' semantics for something then simply use '''.i joi''' instead.


This change should better reflect the way '''fi'o'''/BAI are used in practice, restricting '''fi'o'''-constructs to have a more useful, specific and understandable meaning.
 
In addition, we can now define all the case tags ('''PU''', '''ZAhO''', '''FAhA''', '''BAI''', '''NA''') directly using '''xoi''', instead of using vague '''fi'o'''-definitions!
 
 
'''NA''' (ref http://selpahi.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/na-as-tag)
 
na:
 
{na broda} -> {na zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e natfe ke'a}
 
{broda na ko'a}        ->          {broda xoi ko'a natfe ke'a}
 
 
ja'a:
 
{ja'a broda} -> {ja'a zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e to'e natfe ke'a}
 
{broda ja'a ko'a}        ->            {broda xoi ko'a to'e natfe ke'a}
 
 
 
 
'''PU''' (when used as single case tags only)
 
pu: {broda pu ko'a} ->  {broda xoi ke'a purci ko'a}
 
ca: {broda ca ko'a} ->  {broda xoi ke'a cabna ko'a}
 
ba: {broda ba ko'a} ->  {broda xoi ke'a balvi ko'a}
 
 
 
'''FAhA'''
 
TODO
 
 
'''ZAhO'''
 
BIG TODO
 
 
'''BAI'''
 
HUGE TODO

Revision as of 04:11, 22 June 2015

A proposal by la Ctefá'o to re-define fi'o based on xoi:


Old Definition

broda fi'o brode ko'a broda .i joi ko'a brode

New Definition:

broda fi'o brode ko'a broda xoi ke'a zo'u ko'a brode

With the experimential new-zi'e (zi'ei for conformist alternative) in front of the fi'o, {zi'e(i) fi'o broda}, the scope simply becomes that of (new-)soi instead. *** A new-zi'e page will be created soon ***

An earlier version of this proposal used {broda xoi ke'a fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a} as the definition. La Ctefá'o now prefers the zo'u-version instead to allow the broadest, sensical meaning possible.

But in other words, fi'o is now a short-hand form of xoi ((new-)soi, with new-zi'e). If you need to be very specific with how the ke'a relates inside the xoi, then use xoi directly instead. Do not use fi'o if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from ke'a zo'u! And if you really do need the .i joi semantics for something then simply use .i joi directly instead.

Keep in mind that the ke'a is lo su'u no'a ku for both xoi and soi, if you are not used to them. *** Basic "soi vs. xoi" TODO ***



In addition, we can now define all the case tags (PU, ZAhO, FAhA, BAI, NA) directly using xoi, instead of using vague fi'o-definitions!


NA (ref http://selpahi.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/na-as-tag)

na:

{na broda} -> {na zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e natfe ke'a}

{broda na ko'a} -> {broda xoi ko'a natfe ke'a}


ja'a:

{ja'a broda} -> {ja'a zo'e ku broda} -> {broda xoi zo'e to'e natfe ke'a}

{broda ja'a ko'a} -> {broda xoi ko'a to'e natfe ke'a}



PU (when used as single case tags only)

pu: {broda pu ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a purci ko'a}

ca: {broda ca ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a cabna ko'a}

ba: {broda ba ko'a} -> {broda xoi ke'a balvi ko'a}


FAhA

TODO


ZAhO

BIG TODO


BAI

HUGE TODO