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| broda fi'o brode ko'a|| ||broda xoi fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a se'u
| broda fi'o brode ko'a|| ||broda xoi fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a se'u
|}
|}
With the experimential new-'''zi'e''' attached (in '''UI'''-like form) the '''xoi''' simply becomes [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead:
With the experimential new-'''zi'e''' the scope simply becomes that of [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead.
{| class="wikitable"
| broda fi'o zi'e brode ko'a|| ||broda soi fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a se'u
|}




The use of '''do'e''' in this definition relies on it being able to take the place of '''FA''', as well as the place of other tags. If that is not considered to be possible for '''do'e''' then '''{broda xoi ke'a zo'u fa ko'a brode se'u}''' is the alternative definition.
The use of '''do'e''' in this definition relies on it being able to take the place of '''FA''', as well as the place of other tags. If that is not considered to be possible for '''do'e''' then '''{broda xoi ke'a zo'u fa ko'a brode se'u}''' is the alternative definition.


In other words, '''fi'o''' is now a short-hand form of '''xoi''' ((new-)'''soi''', with new-'''zi'e'''), and the BAI case tags based on '''fi'o''' are considered short-hand forms of certain specific '''xoi'''-constructs (and again, with '''BAI zi'e''', '''soi''').
In other words, '''fi'o''' is now a short-hand form of '''xoi''' ((new-)'''soi''', with new-'''zi'e'''). Any tags based on '''fi'o''' are considered short-hand forms of certain specific '''xoi'''-constructs (and again, their scope changes to '''soi''' with '''zi'e''').


If you feel you need to be very specific with how the '''ke'a''' relates inside the '''xoi''', then use '''xoi''' directly instead. Do not use '''fi'o'''/BAI if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from '''do'e ke'a'''! And keep in mind that the '''ke'a''' is '''lo su'u no'a ku''' (for both '''xoi''' and '''soi''').
If you feel you need to be very specific with how the '''ke'a''' relates inside the '''xoi''', then use '''xoi''' directly instead. Do not use '''fi'o'''/BAI if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from '''do'e ke'a'''! And keep in mind that the '''ke'a''' is '''lo su'u no'a ku''' (for both '''xoi''' and '''soi''').

Revision as of 18:30, 20 June 2015

A proposal by la Ctefà'o to re-define fi'o based on xoi:


Old Definition

broda fi'o brode ko'a broda .i joi ko'a brode

New Definition:

broda fi'o brode ko'a broda xoi fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a se'u

With the experimential new-zi'e the scope simply becomes that of (new-)soi instead.


The use of do'e in this definition relies on it being able to take the place of FA, as well as the place of other tags. If that is not considered to be possible for do'e then {broda xoi ke'a zo'u fa ko'a brode se'u} is the alternative definition.

In other words, fi'o is now a short-hand form of xoi ((new-)soi, with new-zi'e). Any tags based on fi'o are considered short-hand forms of certain specific xoi-constructs (and again, their scope changes to soi with zi'e).

If you feel you need to be very specific with how the ke'a relates inside the xoi, then use xoi directly instead. Do not use fi'o/BAI if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from do'e ke'a! And keep in mind that the ke'a is lo su'u no'a ku (for both xoi and soi).

If you really do want the .i joi semantics for something then simply use .i joi instead.

This change should better reflect the way fi'o/BAI are used in practice, restricting fi'o-constructs to have a more useful, specific and understandable meaning.