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A proposal, by me ([[User:Ctefaho|la Ctefà'o]]) to re-define '''[[BPFK Section: sumtcita Formants|fi'o]]''' based on {{jvs|xoi}}:
A proposal by [[User:Ctefaho|la Ctefà'o]] to re-define '''[[BPFK Section: sumtcita Formants|fi'o]]''' based on {{jvs|xoi}}:




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(With the new-'''zi'e''' attached the '''xoi''' becomes [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead)
(With the new-'''zi'e''' attached the '''xoi''' becomes [[new soi|(new-)'''soi''']] instead)


The use of '''do'e''' in this definition relies on it being able to take the place of '''FA''', as well as the place of other tags. If that is not considered to be possible for '''do'e''' then '''{broda xoi ke'a zo'u fa ko'a brode se'u}''' is the alternative definition.


In other words, '''fi'o''' is now a short-hand form of '''xoi''' ((new-)'''soi''', with new-'''zi'e'''), and the BAI case tags based on '''fi'o''' are considered short-hand forms of certain specific '''xoi'''-constructs (and again, with '''BAI zi'e''', '''soi''').
In other words, '''fi'o''' is now a short-hand form of '''xoi''' ((new-)'''soi''', with new-'''zi'e'''), and the BAI case tags based on '''fi'o''' are considered short-hand forms of certain specific '''xoi'''-constructs (and again, with '''BAI zi'e''', '''soi''').


If you feel the logical urge to be very specific with how the '''ke'a''' relates inside the '''xoi''', then use '''xoi''' directly instead. Do not use '''fi'o'''/BAI if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from '''do'e ke'a'''!
If you feel you need to be very specific with how the '''ke'a''' relates inside the '''xoi''', then use '''xoi''' directly instead. Do not use '''fi'o'''/BAI if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from '''do'e ke'a'''! And keep in mind that the '''ke'a''' is '''lo su'u no'a ku''' (for both '''xoi''' and '''soi''').


Also keep in mind that the '''ke'a''' is '''lo su'u no'a ku''', for both '''xoi''' and '''soi''' (obviously).
If you really do want the '''.i joi''' semantics for something then simply use '''.i joi''' instead.
If you really want the '''.i joi''' semantics for something then just use that directly instead.


This change should better reflect the way '''fi'o'''/BAI are used in practice, restricting '''fi'o'''-constructs to have a more useful, specific and understandable meaning.
This change should better reflect the way '''fi'o'''/BAI are used in practice, restricting '''fi'o'''-constructs to have a more useful, specific and understandable meaning.

Revision as of 20:36, 18 June 2015

A proposal by la Ctefà'o to re-define fi'o based on xoi:


Old Definition

broda fi'o brode ko'a broda .i joi ko'a brode

New Definition:

broda fi'o brode ko'a broda xoi fa ko'a brode do'e ke'a se'u

(With the new-zi'e attached the xoi becomes (new-)soi instead)


The use of do'e in this definition relies on it being able to take the place of FA, as well as the place of other tags. If that is not considered to be possible for do'e then {broda xoi ke'a zo'u fa ko'a brode se'u} is the alternative definition.

In other words, fi'o is now a short-hand form of xoi ((new-)soi, with new-zi'e), and the BAI case tags based on fi'o are considered short-hand forms of certain specific xoi-constructs (and again, with BAI zi'e, soi).

If you feel you need to be very specific with how the ke'a relates inside the xoi, then use xoi directly instead. Do not use fi'o/BAI if the intended relation is not easily grasped/glorked from do'e ke'a! And keep in mind that the ke'a is lo su'u no'a ku (for both xoi and soi).

If you really do want the .i joi semantics for something then simply use .i joi instead.

This change should better reflect the way fi'o/BAI are used in practice, restricting fi'o-constructs to have a more useful, specific and understandable meaning.