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2014-03-23T14:48:36Z
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Gleki at 17:02, 4 November 2013
2013-11-04T17:02:18Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{lo'ai ... sa'ai ... le'ai} replacement construct is used to erase some recently uttered string of words and replace them with something else. It is comparable to the "s/foo/bar/" expression commonly used on IRC.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[jbocre: </ins>The <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lojban MOO|The Lojban MOO]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">By saying {lo'ai srera sa'ai drani </del>le<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'ai}, </del>you <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are asking the listener to erase the most recent occurrence of {srera} in your text stream, replace it with {drani}, and reparse</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">For example, {lo'ai cakla sa'ai ckakla le'ai} can be translated as, </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I didn't mean {cakla}, but {ckakla}</del>."</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*When you go through a door -> "do go through </ins>le <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">stuna."</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It's possible to switch the order </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the text </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be replaced and the replacement by saying </del>{<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sa'ai drani lo'ai srera le'ai</del>}.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Health messages for wounded mobs (mooix:contrib/animate?). The "look_injured_*" messages. Looks like eleven </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">them: "scratched", "bruised", "beat up", "hurt", "badly hurt", "quite badly hurt", "unconscious", "near death", "dead". Some suggestions: {</ins>to<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'e cikna}->unconscious. {ralci velxrani}, {ruble velxrani}, {milxe velxrani}, {velxrani}, {mutce velxrani}, {traji velxrani}, </ins>{<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jibni morsi</ins>}.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It's also possible to omit either the text to be replaced or the replacement, leaving it up to context. For example, </del>{<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sa'ai ckakla le'ai</del>} <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">means, </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I meant {ckakla}," and leaves it up to context what string of words should be replaced by {ckakla} (in this case, probably the word {cakla}). Similarly, {lo'ai cakla </del>le'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai} means, </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I didn</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t mean {cakla} (but something else)</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*When mob is dead and you execute </ins>{<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">viska ti</ins>}<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: </ins>"le <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s corpse cu zvati</ins>"</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">By saying just {le'ai}, omitting both the text to be replaced and the replacement, one can acknowledge the fact that one has made an error while leaving it completely up to context what the actual error was. Thus, {.i .ai mi cakla ... le'ai} means roughly, "I'm going to be chocolate. ...err, you know what I mean."</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">== Fixed ==</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">To summarize, </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">different forms of {le'ai} expressions are as follows</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* File /tmp/fileKvs2md-<lang code="en">Lojban Test User<_lang><lang code="jbo">lojbo cipra pilno<_lang> description saved.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Welcome to </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lojban MOO! See http://www.lojban.org/The+Lojban+MOO if you need help</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Completely machine-understandable forms</del>:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** fi'i do ti lojbo me MOO .i la'o zoi http</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">//www.lojban.org/The+Lojban+MOO zoi vasru lo sidju bau lo glico</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** Can't do; the banner is generated before the user's language is known.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{lo'ai cakla sa'ai ckakla le'ai} replaces the most recent occurrence of {cakla} with {ckakla}</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(Guessing that you meant to type: "who" ...)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>lo'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai cakla sa'ai kukte cakla le'ai} inserts the word {kukte} before the most recent occurence of the word {cakla}</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to ru'a do pu djica </ins>lo <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nu ciska lu ma li</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">u toi</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{lo</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai kukte sa'ai le'ai} erases the most recent occurrence of the word {kukte}.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It's not clear what you mean by "look". -- upon typing "look" in Lojban.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* zoi zoi look zoi ki</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Context-dependent forms:</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Compiling grammar, please wait..</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** ca'o zbasu lo genytci .i .e'o ko denpa </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>lo'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai sa</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai mutce le</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai} inserts the word {mutce} at the obvious place in the recently uttered text</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This dormitory has a bleak, institutional feel. The walls are painted a nasty shade of off-green. This is a place for deadbeats who don't have a real home to sleep; type "home" to get out. </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* {</del>lo'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai cakla le'ai} replaces {cakla} with something that is obvious from context</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**</ins>lo <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">vi sipku</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a cu driri</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a je bilni simlu .i lo bitmu cu tolmle noryri</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">o .i ti se xabju lo lazni poi na se zdani lo xamgu be fi </ins>lo <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nu sipna .i ko ciska zo zdakla te zu</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e lo nu cliva</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{sa</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai ckakla le'ai} replaces something that is obvious from context by {ckakla}</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">na</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e se mipri vorme fa none</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{le'ai} declares that an error was made and asks the listener to make the obvious correction.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">na</ins>'e <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">se mipri vorme fa </ins>no <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">da --</ins>(<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Any reason </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">prefer </ins>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">na</ins>'e <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">se mipri</ins>'' to ''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">gubni</ins>''?)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I have been experimenting with questions of the form {lo'ai ... sa'ai ... le'ai pei} (the {lo'ai} and {sa'ai} clauses being optional, as usual). Relevant answers to a {le'ai pei} question are 1) any {le'ai} construction or 2) any {le'ai} construction modified by {nai} (or, equivalently, simply {[[jbocre: ja'ai|ja'ai]]} or {nai} alone, respectively). It should be quite clear what these expressions ought to mean; for example,</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* {le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they really meant to say what they just said</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* {lo'ai cakla le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they erred in saying {cakla}</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* {sa'ai ckakla le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they rather meant to say {ckakla}</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{lo</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai cakla sa'ai ckakla le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they meant to say {ckakla} rather than {cakla}.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">By answering a textual replacement question with {le'ai} (or {ja'ai}), you acknowledge that the suggested error was in fact made. If the question was simply {le'ai pei} (i.</del>e<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">., </del>no <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">particular error was suggested), then {le'ai} acknowledges that some error was made, but does not specify what the error was.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">By answering with {le'ai nai} or {nai}, you deny that the suggested error was made </del>(<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">without necessarily asserting whether or not any other errors were made). If no error was specified and the question was simply {le'ai pei}, then answering with {le'ai nai} denies that any errors were made at all, asserting that what was said was entirely correct.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Presumably, it may be useful </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">answer {le</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai cu</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">i} when you don</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t have an opinion either way as to whether or not you want to make the replacement.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Naturally, it is possible to explicitly deny or affirm a specific error by answering with, </del>e<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.g., {lo</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai cakla le</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai nai}, {sa'ai ckakla le'ai nai}, or {lo'ai calka sa'ai ckakla le'ai}.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This leads us </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">consider the expression {le</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai nai} used on its own, rather than as the answer to a question. This essentially becomes a way to metalinguistically assert that you really intended to say what you just said. You can even explicitly mark dubious language as actually intended by saying {lo</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai ... le</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai nai}. This saves the reader or listener from having to consider whether the doubtful expression was written or said in error or whether it was done on purpose, and the likeliness of either possibility.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Similarly, {le</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai cu'i} can be used when you are yourself doubtful of the correctness of what you are writing or saying. This is comparable to the expression "(sp</del>?)<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" used by writers who are unsure of their spelling, but {le'ai cu'i} is also generally useful for grammatical uncertainties other than spelling. (Less directly, it could express semantic uncertainty, but this is probably too vague to be understandable and useful, since listeners will first attempt to interpret {le'ai cu'i} as grammatical uncertainty, and that will usually make sense some way or another.)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">— Daniel Brockman</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">One way to express this using vanilla Lojban is {sei zo ckakla zo cakla basti}, {sei zo ckakla basti}, {sei zo cakla se basti} and {sei basti}. I and Eimi have been using this on IRC a few times and will interpret it identically to {sa'ai ckakla lo'ai cakla le'ai}, {sa'ai ckakla le'ai}, {lo'ai cakla le'ai} and {le'ai}, respectively.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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Gleki at 16:57, 4 November 2013
2013-11-04T16:57:51Z
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The {lo'ai ... sa'ai ... le'ai} replacement construct is used to erase some recently uttered string of words and replace them with something else. It is comparable to the "s/foo/bar/" expression commonly used on IRC.<br />
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By saying {lo'ai srera sa'ai drani le'ai}, you are asking the listener to erase the most recent occurrence of {srera} in your text stream, replace it with {drani}, and reparse. For example, {lo'ai cakla sa'ai ckakla le'ai} can be translated as, "I didn't mean {cakla}, but {ckakla}."<br />
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It's possible to switch the order of the text to be replaced and the replacement by saying {sa'ai drani lo'ai srera le'ai}.<br />
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It's also possible to omit either the text to be replaced or the replacement, leaving it up to context. For example, {sa'ai ckakla le'ai} means, "I meant {ckakla}," and leaves it up to context what string of words should be replaced by {ckakla} (in this case, probably the word {cakla}). Similarly, {lo'ai cakla le'ai} means, "I didn't mean {cakla} (but something else)."<br />
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It is interesting to note that {lo'ai ... le'ai} can be thought of as an "error quote," which is the traditional (arguably poor) gloss for {lo'u} and {le'u}. In other words, {lo'ai} and {le'ai} are the real "error quote" cmavo.<br />
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Naturally, one can erase a specific string of words recently uttered by saying {lo'ai broda brode .ua .ue .ui sa'ai le'ai} — essentially replacing {broda brode .ua .ue .ui} with the empty string.<br />
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The converse case is somewhat special: {lo'ai sa'ai se setca le'ai}, rather than replacing the most recent occurrence of the empty string (which would be useless), actually tells the listener to insert the string {se setca} at the appropriate place in the recent text stream. Where the string is to be inserted is left up to context.<br />
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By saying just {le'ai}, omitting both the text to be replaced and the replacement, one can acknowledge the fact that one has made an error while leaving it completely up to context what the actual error was. Thus, {.i .ai mi cakla ... le'ai} means roughly, "I'm going to be chocolate. ...err, you know what I mean."<br />
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To summarize, the different forms of {le'ai} expressions are as follows.<br />
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Completely machine-understandable forms:<br />
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* {lo'ai cakla sa'ai ckakla le'ai} replaces the most recent occurrence of {cakla} with {ckakla}<br />
** {lo'ai cakla sa'ai kukte cakla le'ai} inserts the word {kukte} before the most recent occurence of the word {cakla}<br />
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** {lo'ai kukte sa'ai le'ai} erases the most recent occurrence of the word {kukte}.<br />
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Context-dependent forms:<br />
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* {lo'ai sa'ai mutce le'ai} inserts the word {mutce} at the obvious place in the recently uttered text<br />
* {lo'ai cakla le'ai} replaces {cakla} with something that is obvious from context<br />
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* {sa'ai ckakla le'ai} replaces something that is obvious from context by {ckakla}<br />
* {le'ai} declares that an error was made and asks the listener to make the obvious correction.<br />
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I have been experimenting with questions of the form {lo'ai ... sa'ai ... le'ai pei} (the {lo'ai} and {sa'ai} clauses being optional, as usual). Relevant answers to a {le'ai pei} question are 1) any {le'ai} construction or 2) any {le'ai} construction modified by {nai} (or, equivalently, simply {[[jbocre: ja'ai|ja'ai]]} or {nai} alone, respectively). It should be quite clear what these expressions ought to mean; for example,<br />
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* {le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they really meant to say what they just said<br />
* {lo'ai cakla le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they erred in saying {cakla}<br />
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* {sa'ai ckakla le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they rather meant to say {ckakla}<br />
* {lo'ai cakla sa'ai ckakla le'ai pei} asks the listener whether they meant to say {ckakla} rather than {cakla}.<br />
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By answering a textual replacement question with {le'ai} (or {ja'ai}), you acknowledge that the suggested error was in fact made. If the question was simply {le'ai pei} (i.e., no particular error was suggested), then {le'ai} acknowledges that some error was made, but does not specify what the error was.<br />
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By answering with {le'ai nai} or {nai}, you deny that the suggested error was made (without necessarily asserting whether or not any other errors were made). If no error was specified and the question was simply {le'ai pei}, then answering with {le'ai nai} denies that any errors were made at all, asserting that what was said was entirely correct.<br />
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Presumably, it may be useful to answer {le'ai cu'i} when you don't have an opinion either way as to whether or not you want to make the replacement.<br />
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Naturally, it is possible to explicitly deny or affirm a specific error by answering with, e.g., {lo'ai cakla le'ai nai}, {sa'ai ckakla le'ai nai}, or {lo'ai calka sa'ai ckakla le'ai}.<br />
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This leads us to consider the expression {le'ai nai} used on its own, rather than as the answer to a question. This essentially becomes a way to metalinguistically assert that you really intended to say what you just said. You can even explicitly mark dubious language as actually intended by saying {lo'ai ... le'ai nai}. This saves the reader or listener from having to consider whether the doubtful expression was written or said in error or whether it was done on purpose, and the likeliness of either possibility.<br />
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Similarly, {le'ai cu'i} can be used when you are yourself doubtful of the correctness of what you are writing or saying. This is comparable to the expression "(sp?)" used by writers who are unsure of their spelling, but {le'ai cu'i} is also generally useful for grammatical uncertainties other than spelling. (Less directly, it could express semantic uncertainty, but this is probably too vague to be understandable and useful, since listeners will first attempt to interpret {le'ai cu'i} as grammatical uncertainty, and that will usually make sense some way or another.)<br />
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— Daniel Brockman<br />
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One way to express this using vanilla Lojban is {sei zo ckakla zo cakla basti}, {sei zo ckakla basti}, {sei zo cakla se basti} and {sei basti}. I and Eimi have been using this on IRC a few times and will interpret it identically to {sa'ai ckakla lo'ai cakla le'ai}, {sa'ai ckakla le'ai}, {lo'ai cakla le'ai} and {le'ai}, respectively.<br />
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— Daniel Brockman</div>
Gleki