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These should conform to the spirit of Lojban; that means that they take [[place structure|place structure]]s parallel to gismu rather than the original place structures of the Loglan prims, unless that would result in a word with an identical place structure and meaning to an existing gismu (in which case creativity can be used.)
These should conform to the spirit of Lojban; that means that they take [[place structure|place structure]]s parallel to gismu rather than the original place structures of the Loglan prims, unless that would result in a word with an identical place structure and meaning to an existing gismu (in which case creativity can be used.)


;'''bilra''' billiards: x1 plays billiards with x2  '''retracted in favor of [[jbocre: resurrected gismu|resurrected gismu {birda]]}'''
;'''bilra''' billiards: x1 plays billiards with x2  '''retracted in favor of [[resurrected gismu|resurrected gismu {birda]]}'''


;'''ckemo''' time interval: x1 is the time-duration/interval/period/elapsed time of event x2  (cf. cacra, cedra, citsi, ranji, tcika, junla, renvi, temci,canlu)  '''retracted in favor of [[jbocre: resurrected gismu|resurrected gismu ditcu]]'''
;'''ckemo''' time interval: x1 is the time-duration/interval/period/elapsed time of event x2  (cf. cacra, cedra, citsi, ranji, tcika, junla, renvi, temci,canlu)  '''retracted in favor of [[resurrected gismu|resurrected gismu ditcu]]'''


;'''fosli''' coerce; 'force': x1 (agent) forces/coerces/compels x2 to do x3 (against x2's will)  Well, to conform with the spirit of Lojban, this should be x1 forces/coerces x2 to happen.  Using the former place structure, x3 would ''always'' be an event abstraction where the x2 of fosli is incorporated. --mi'e [[User:tsali|tsali]] ''But that's '''bapli'''! This way we get a new word with a different place structure.'' Then use '''bapli''', with an x2 beginning with tu'a. ''I think that these two express different ideas. "fosli" is used when x2 wants to not do x3, and x1 intentionally forces x2 to do it.  Compare with '''zu'ergau'''; x1 makes x2 do x3 for purpose x4 ''That contains no indication of coercion, i.e. that it is against x2's will.''  '''zu'erbai'''; x1 forces that x2 do x3 for purpose x4 ''x1 must be an event there; events can't do something purposely against someone's will.
;'''fosli''' coerce; 'force': x1 (agent) forces/coerces/compels x2 to do x3 (against x2's will)  Well, to conform with the spirit of Lojban, this should be x1 forces/coerces x2 to happen.  Using the former place structure, x3 would ''always'' be an event abstraction where the x2 of fosli is incorporated. --mi'e [[User:tsali|tsali]] ''But that's '''bapli'''! This way we get a new word with a different place structure.'' Then use '''bapli''', with an x2 beginning with tu'a. ''I think that these two express different ideas. "fosli" is used when x2 wants to not do x3, and x1 intentionally forces x2 to do it.  Compare with '''zu'ergau'''; x1 makes x2 do x3 for purpose x4 ''That contains no indication of coercion, i.e. that it is against x2's will.''  '''zu'erbai'''; x1 forces that x2 do x3 for purpose x4 ''x1 must be an event there; events can't do something purposely against someone's will.


;'''laldo''' old: x1 is old/aged [[jbocre: relatively long in elapsed duration|relatively long in elapsed duration]] by standard x2
;'''laldo''' old: x1 is old/aged [[relatively long in elapsed duration|relatively long in elapsed duration]] by standard x2


;'''loglo''' TLI Loglandic: x1 reflects Loglandic language/culture/nationality/community in aspect x2  (cf. [[lojbo|lojbo]], [[spero|spero]]). (Usually seen as ''dzejbo''.)
;'''loglo''' TLI Loglandic: x1 reflects Loglandic language/culture/nationality/community in aspect x2  (cf. [[lojbo|lojbo]], [[spero|spero]]). (Usually seen as ''dzejbo''.)


''Do we get any rafsi?'' They all have long rafsi. (Assuming that they have been checked for clashes. All the above have.) Or you can propose [[experimental rafsi|experimental rafsi]].
''Do we get any rafsi?'' They all have long rafsi. (Assuming that they have been checked for clashes. All the above have.) Or you can propose [[experimental rafsi|experimental rafsi]].

Latest revision as of 15:24, 23 March 2014

These should conform to the spirit of Lojban; that means that they take place structures parallel to gismu rather than the original place structures of the Loglan prims, unless that would result in a word with an identical place structure and meaning to an existing gismu (in which case creativity can be used.)

bilra billiards
x1 plays billiards with x2 retracted in favor of resurrected gismu {birda}
ckemo time interval
x1 is the time-duration/interval/period/elapsed time of event x2 (cf. cacra, cedra, citsi, ranji, tcika, junla, renvi, temci,canlu) retracted in favor of resurrected gismu ditcu
fosli coerce; 'force'
x1 (agent) forces/coerces/compels x2 to do x3 (against x2's will) Well, to conform with the spirit of Lojban, this should be x1 forces/coerces x2 to happen. Using the former place structure, x3 would always be an event abstraction where the x2 of fosli is incorporated. --mi'e tsali But that's bapli! This way we get a new word with a different place structure. Then use bapli, with an x2 beginning with tu'a. I think that these two express different ideas. "fosli" is used when x2 wants to not do x3, and x1 intentionally forces x2 to do it. Compare with zu'ergau; x1 makes x2 do x3 for purpose x4 That contains no indication of coercion, i.e. that it is against x2's will. zu'erbai; x1 forces that x2 do x3 for purpose x4 x1 must be an event there; events can't do something purposely against someone's will.
laldo old
x1 is old/aged relatively long in elapsed duration by standard x2
loglo TLI Loglandic
x1 reflects Loglandic language/culture/nationality/community in aspect x2 (cf. lojbo, spero). (Usually seen as dzejbo.)

Do we get any rafsi? They all have long rafsi. (Assuming that they have been checked for clashes. All the above have.) Or you can propose experimental rafsi.