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''Also, if we had a katakana orthography (not like I expect that to be easy) we might could appeal to the anime crowd. Just a thought.'' -- anon, from [[jbocre: Why Tengwar?]] | |||
''(Here a lamer from 24.17.25.93 showed off his vocabulary.)'' | |||
That is an awfully interesting idea. Might even be possible. How would consonant clusters be done, though? (Hell, how would any C not followed by V be done? And what do you do with the 'n' consonant symbol? Give it to n or m?) --[[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay]] | |||
''Awfully fancyful people around here ;-) : Don't like Katakana as much as I'm fond of [[jbocre: Hiragana|Hiragana]] (Firakana)! - But speaking honestly, for what *rational* reason should a syllabic alphabet like this, tailored for a language with a very special phonemic system like Japanese, be adjusted for Lojban? - But yes, it would be very, very nice to have it. So I was playing around a bit with Fontographer and a Hiragana font to maybe get some idea... Yet, it's horrible a task:'' | |||
''E.g. we needed to modify characters for lb {c}, {l}, {f} and {x} - {l} maybe by adding a nigori to "r", {f} by using the "h", unless we don't take that for {x}. We'd have to invent some more diacritical marks beside "nigori" and "maru" (at least one for kind of "schwa" to indicate the syllable as being "vowelless" (i.e. being a consonant).'' | |||
''So, don't think it's impossible... (... for doing your Lojban poems in Hiragana calligraphy - let us fetch some ink, brush and paper...) -.aulun.'' | |||
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You can use the Japanese people's double-kana tricks for writing fa, fi, fe, fo, for instance. | |||
''How does this work?'' | |||
Try fu plus a small vowel kana. | |||
And as for Lojban {x}, I think the Japanese try to imitate this sound by putting a small tsu in front of a kana such as ha. So {xa} would be (small tsu) (ha). | |||
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Revision as of 16:56, 4 November 2013
Also, if we had a katakana orthography (not like I expect that to be easy) we might could appeal to the anime crowd. Just a thought. -- anon, from jbocre: Why Tengwar?
(Here a lamer from 24.17.25.93 showed off his vocabulary.)
That is an awfully interesting idea. Might even be possible. How would consonant clusters be done, though? (Hell, how would any C not followed by V be done? And what do you do with the 'n' consonant symbol? Give it to n or m?) --Jay
Awfully fancyful people around here ;-) : Don't like Katakana as much as I'm fond of Hiragana (Firakana)! - But speaking honestly, for what *rational* reason should a syllabic alphabet like this, tailored for a language with a very special phonemic system like Japanese, be adjusted for Lojban? - But yes, it would be very, very nice to have it. So I was playing around a bit with Fontographer and a Hiragana font to maybe get some idea... Yet, it's horrible a task:
E.g. we needed to modify characters for lb {c}, {l}, {f} and {x} - {l} maybe by adding a nigori to "r", {f} by using the "h", unless we don't take that for {x}. We'd have to invent some more diacritical marks beside "nigori" and "maru" (at least one for kind of "schwa" to indicate the syllable as being "vowelless" (i.e. being a consonant).
So, don't think it's impossible... (... for doing your Lojban poems in Hiragana calligraphy - let us fetch some ink, brush and paper...) -.aulun.
You can use the Japanese people's double-kana tricks for writing fa, fi, fe, fo, for instance.
How does this work?
Try fu plus a small vowel kana.
And as for Lojban {x}, I think the Japanese try to imitate this sound by putting a small tsu in front of a kana such as ha. So {xa} would be (small tsu) (ha).