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{{se inspekte/en}}See '''[[poi'i|poi'i]]'''.


[[jbocre: mi'e [jbocre: And|And]]
Speculatively proposed in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9301


Superseded by ''[[jbocre: poi'i|poi'i]]''.
*[[And|And]]:
 
**Recent distinct threads have established  
Speculatively proposed in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9301], repeated here:
**(a) that '''ka''' is redundant, since '''du'u''' can serve all the functions of current '''ka'''
 
**(b) that there is a need to be able to define reflexive selbri that can function as sumti tails, analogously to '''da noi ke'a ke'a lumci''' = ''something that <u>self-washes</u>''.
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**I first propose a NU, '''kai'i''', meaning '''ckaji (be le ka)'''. Then
 
**'''da noi ke'a ke'a lumci = lo kai'i ce'u ce'u lumci = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u ce'u lumci'''
Recent distinct threads have established
**And more generally:
 
**lo broda = da noi ke'a broda = lo kai'i ce'u broda = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u broda
(a) that {ka} is redundant, since {du'u} can serve all the
**da noi mi djuno tu'o du'u ke'a broda = lo kai'i mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda
 
**I secondly propose that {ka} could be redefined as equivalent to '''kai'i'''.
functions of current {ka}
 
(b) that there is a need to be able to define reflexive
 
selbri that can function as sumti tails, analgously to
 
{da noi ke'a ke'a lumci} = "something that *self-washes*".
 
I first propose a NU, {kai'i}, meaning "ckaji (be le ka)".
 
Then
 
da noi ke'a ke'a lumci
 
= lo kai'i ce'u ce'u lumci
 
= lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u ce'u lumci
 
And more generally:
 
lo broda
 
= da noi ke'a broda
 
= lo kai'i ce'u broda
 
= lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u broda
 
da noi mi djuno tu'o du'u ke'a broda
 
= lo kai'i mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda
 
= lo ckaji be tu'o du'u mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda
 
I secondly propose that {ka} could be redefined as equivalent to
 
{kai'i}.
 
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Latest revision as of 19:25, 26 September 2014

See poi'i.

Speculatively proposed in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9301

  • And:
    • Recent distinct threads have established
    • (a) that ka is redundant, since du'u can serve all the functions of current ka
    • (b) that there is a need to be able to define reflexive selbri that can function as sumti tails, analogously to da noi ke'a ke'a lumci = something that self-washes.
    • I first propose a NU, kai'i, meaning ckaji (be le ka). Then
    • da noi ke'a ke'a lumci = lo kai'i ce'u ce'u lumci = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u ce'u lumci
    • And more generally:
    • lo broda = da noi ke'a broda = lo kai'i ce'u broda = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u broda
    • da noi mi djuno tu'o du'u ke'a broda = lo kai'i mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda
    • I secondly propose that {ka} could be redefined as equivalent to kai'i.