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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>.i zo jondatnymu'e cu se finti la [[User:Nick Nicholas <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">itcion</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nick Nicholas itcion</del>]] mu'i lenu frati zo [[balcukta|balcukta]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>.i zo jondatnymu'e cu se finti la [[User:Nick Nicholas|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nitcion</ins>]] mu'i lenu frati zo [[balcukta|balcukta]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>.i zo jondatnymu'e cu lujvo fo lu jorne datni munje li'u .i le lujvo cu se jicmu le si'o jorne loi datni poi sampu tadji lenu fanva zoigy. Hypertext gy.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>.i zo jondatnymu'e cu lujvo fo lu jorne datni munje li'u .i le lujvo cu se jicmu le si'o jorne loi datni poi sampu tadji lenu fanva zoigy. Hypertext gy.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>.i le lujvo cu pilno zo munje mu'i lenu basna leka le datni ciste poi ly. ciksi cu mulno ciste</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>.i le lujvo cu pilno zo munje mu'i lenu basna leka le datni ciste poi ly. ciksi cu mulno ciste<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What is the place structure of ''jondatnymu'e''?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What is the place structure of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''jondatnymu'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''?</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==== terminology ====</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==== terminology ====</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* web: jondatnymu'e</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* web: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>jondatnymu'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* web site: [[jondatnymu'e tcana|jondatnymu'e tcana]] (as a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>tanru<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>, this is vague and could mean web site, web page, or something else)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* web site: [[jondatnymu'e tcana|jondatnymu'e tcana]] (as a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>tanru<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>, this is vague and could mean <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>web site<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>web page<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>, or something else)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* web page: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</del>jondatnymu'e selci<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|jondatnymu</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e selci]] </del>(because it's the minimal unit of the Web)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* web page: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>jondatnymu'e selci'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </ins>(because it's the minimal unit of the Web)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* hypertext link: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</del>jondatnymu'e jorne<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|jondatnymu</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e jorne]] </del>(joins to other parts of the web)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* hypertext link: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>jondatnymu'e jorne'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </ins>(joins to other parts of the web)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I chose ''jondatnymu'e'' over ''balcukta'', not because I prefer a literal term, but because I may someday want to talk about Homer and Shakespeare. The literal meaning of ''balcukta'' is useful, so it should take precedence over the metaphorical meaning. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''mi'e </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jezrax</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jezrax</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Discussion==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* [[jezrax|jezrax]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>The Web is the Greatest Book of them all; undoubtedly containing in its glorious pages several copies of the works of Homer and Shakespeare. Such an individual text, no matter how valuable, is molecular compared to the Ultra Opus that contains by far the largest collection of pages ever compiled. This Book of All Books is the Final Book; future generations will read no other! That's why I feel it deserves the appelation of "banli", and calling it a "joined data universe" doesn't capture its magnificent splendor. It seems generations have become inured to the greatest achievements of civilization.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">xod|la xod</del>]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** </ins>I chose <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''jondatnymu'e<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' over <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''balcukta<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', not because I prefer a literal term, but because I may someday want to talk about Homer and Shakespeare. The literal meaning of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''balcukta<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is useful, so it should take precedence over the metaphorical meaning.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User:xod</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">la xod</ins>]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Perhaps I will have to start calling the world-conquering web ''la aleksandrias''. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''mi'e [[jezrax|jezrax]]''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** </ins>The Web is the Greatest Book of them all; undoubtedly containing in its glorious pages several copies of the works of Homer and Shakespeare. Such an individual text, no matter how valuable, is molecular compared to the Ultra Opus that contains by far the largest collection of pages ever compiled. This Book of All Books is the Final Book; future generations will read no other! That's why I feel it deserves the appelation of "banli", and calling it a "joined data universe" doesn't capture its magnificent splendor. It seems generations have become inured to the greatest achievements of civilization.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* so inured, even, that a bit of poorly designed hypertext somehow rivals a man on the moon, books that have been read for 2000 years, and devices 3 millimeters across which contain more components than the web has pages worth reading.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* so inured, even, that a bit of poorly designed hypertext somehow rivals a man on the moon, books that have been read for 2000 years, and devices 3 millimeters across which contain more components than the web has pages worth reading.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* A '''great''' book has a better content to noise ratio -- mi'e [[.greg.|greg.]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I'd also like to have the disappearance of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>banli<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''<nowiki/></ins>'s x3 in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>balcukta<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>explained.</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "xod" to "la xod"
2014-06-08T10:50:02Z
<p>Text replace - "<a href="/papri/User:Xod" title="User:Xod">xod</a>" to "<a href="/papri/User:Xod" title="User:Xod">la xod</a>"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''The Web is the Greatest Book of them all; undoubtedly containing in its glorious pages several copies of the works of Homer and Shakespeare. Such an individual text, no matter how valuable, is molecular compared to the Ultra Opus that contains by far the largest collection of pages ever compiled. This Book of All Books is the Final Book; future generations will read no other! That's why I feel it deserves the appelation of "banli", and calling it a "joined data universe" doesn't capture its magnificent splendor. It seems generations have become inured to the greatest achievements of civilization.--[[User:xod|xod]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''The Web is the Greatest Book of them all; undoubtedly containing in its glorious pages several copies of the works of Homer and Shakespeare. Such an individual text, no matter how valuable, is molecular compared to the Ultra Opus that contains by far the largest collection of pages ever compiled. This Book of All Books is the Final Book; future generations will read no other! That's why I feel it deserves the appelation of "banli", and calling it a "joined data universe" doesn't capture its magnificent splendor. It seems generations have become inured to the greatest achievements of civilization.--[[User:xod|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">la </ins>xod]]''</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: " to ""
2014-03-23T16:19:33Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: " to ""</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* ''I now prefer [[ralcku|ralcku]]. --xod''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* ''I now prefer [[ralcku|ralcku]]. --xod''</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"
2014-03-23T16:16:51Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I chose ''jondatnymu'e'' over ''balcukta'', not because I prefer a literal term, but because I may someday want to talk about Homer and Shakespeare. The literal meaning of ''balcukta'' is useful, so it should take precedence over the metaphorical meaning. ''mi'e [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>jezrax|jezrax]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I chose ''jondatnymu'e'' over ''balcukta'', not because I prefer a literal term, but because I may someday want to talk about Homer and Shakespeare. The literal meaning of ''balcukta'' is useful, so it should take precedence over the metaphorical meaning. ''mi'e [[jezrax|jezrax]]''</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Gleki moved page jbocre: jondatnymu'e to jondatnymu'e without leaving a redirect: Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: l" to "l"
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<p>Text replace - "jbocre: l" to "l"</p>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: b" to "b"
2014-03-23T11:39:33Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: b" to "b"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">=== coi </del>.i <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mi</del>'e la <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">eli,ias. nikokocev ===</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>.i <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">zo jondatnymu</ins>'e <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cu se finti </ins>la <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:Nick Nicholas itcion|Nick Nicholas itcion]] mu'i lenu frati zo [[jbocre: balcukta|balcukta]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I just started Lojbaning, so please correct me</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Is my name .elias. , .eliia. or .eli,ias.? (I</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">d like to pronounce it </del>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">elija'', not ''ilya'')</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">i zo jondatnymu</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e cu lujvo fo lu jorne datni munje li</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">u .i le lujvo cu se jicmu le si</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">o jorne loi datni poi sampu tadji lenu fanva zoigy. Hypertext gy</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==== Who am I ====</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.i le lujvo cu pilno zo munje mu'i lenu basna leka le datni ciste poi ly. ciksi cu mulno ciste</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">m a mathematician from [http://wwwth.itep.ru TEP], it</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s in [[jbocre: Moscow|Moscow]], [[jbocre: Russia|Russia]].</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">What is the place structure of </ins>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jondatnymu'e''?</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Personal data: young, male, russian, never, not yet, ...</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==== terminology ====</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==== Biography ====</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* web: jondatnymu'e</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* web site: [[jbocre: jondatnymu'e tcana|jondatnymu'e tcana]] (as a ''tanru'', this is vague and could mean web site, web page, or something else)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I was brought up in Moscow and Lipetsk. Although I was born in Uzbekistan, my native language is Russian. I</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">m </del>(<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">rather</del>) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">fluent in English, but I like communicating in French and German. I studied a bit Italian and Chinese. I loved languages from the very youth, so I learned </del>[[jbocre: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Esperanto</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Esperanto</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and tried </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">create my own language, German-based. Now (Nov 2003</del>) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I've found Lojban, wow!</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* web page: [[jbocre: jondatnymu'e selci|jondatnymu</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e selci]] </ins>(<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because it's the minimal unit of the Web</ins>)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* hypertext link: </ins>[[jbocre: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jondatnymu'e jorne</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jondatnymu'e jorne</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(joins </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">other parts of the web</ins>)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==== Why Lojban ====</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I chose ''jondatnymu'e'' over ''balcukta'', not because I prefer a literal term, but because I may someday want to talk about Homer and Shakespeare. The literal meaning of ''balcukta'' is useful, so it should take precedence over the metaphorical meaning. ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Natural languages </del>have <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">their problems,</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''The Web is the Greatest Book of them all; undoubtedly containing in its glorious pages several copies of the works of Homer and Shakespeare. Such an individual text, no matter how valuable, is molecular compared to the Ultra Opus that contains by far the largest collection of pages ever compiled. This Book of All Books is the Final Book; future generations will read no other! That's why I feel it deserves the appelation of "banli", and calling it a "joined data universe" doesn't capture its magnificent splendor. It seems generations </ins>have <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">become inured to the greatest achievements of civilization.--[[User:xod|xod]]''</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* constructed languages are boring for everybody except their author</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s really great to find a logical language spoken</del>, even <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">by small amount </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">people. If, I hope</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this continues </del>for <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">some time</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lojban wouldn't be constructed language anymore, it will has its own irregularities etc. </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Perhaps I will have to start calling the world-conquering web ''la aleksandrias''. ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]'</ins>'</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Everybody loves creating something. What's </del>more <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">interesting </del>than <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">creating </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">new world, esp</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for ourselves? We'll get our own jboklu, jbotut and la lojbangug</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* so inured</ins>, even<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, that a bit </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">poorly designed hypertext somehow rivals a man on the moon</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">books that have been read </ins>for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">2000 years</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and devices 3 millimeters across which contain </ins>more <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">components </ins>than the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">web has pages worth reading</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Not so many people love speaking English as </del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">world language, so may be Lojban descendants will unite more people than ever</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A '''great''' book has </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">better content to noise ratio -- mi'e [[jbocre: .greg.|greg.]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* I'd also like to have the disappearance of banli's x3 in balcukta explained</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Idea</del>:''' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">when we have enough Lojban people, we could try hieroglyphic script </del>for <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">gismu</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">with may </del>be <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">special script for cmavo and cmene</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">like Japanese.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* ''I now prefer [[jbocre: ralcku|ralcku]]. --xod</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* I am starting to like </ins>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[jbocre</ins>: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">la ve</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e valsi vasru|la ve'e valsi vasru]],</ins>'' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">though mostly </ins>for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the purposes of amusement. The '''la''' covers many sins; it's just a name</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">not a true description. And the ''valsi'' can </ins>be <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">replaced by other things like ''vrici'' or, if you get too much porn-spam</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''vibna'' </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''--mi'e </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Mark Shoulson</ins>|.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mark.</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' '' Mmm.</ins>.. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''vreji''' is even better: '''la ve'e vrici vreji''' (still [</ins>[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Mark Shoulson e|Mark Shoulson e</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)''</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Write me: </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre</del>: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ailto:i</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ilya_nikokoshev@mail</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ru</del>]]</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[http://wwwth</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">itep</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ru nstitute for Theoretical and Experimental Physics]</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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Gleki at 16:52, 4 November 2013
2013-11-04T16:52:41Z
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=== coi .i mi'e la eli,ias. nikokocev ===<br />
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I just started Lojbaning, so please correct me. Is my name .elias. , .eliia. or .eli,ias.? (I'd like to pronounce it ''elija'', not ''ilya'').<br />
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==== Who am I ====<br />
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I'm a mathematician from [http://wwwth.itep.ru TEP], it's in [[jbocre: Moscow|Moscow]], [[jbocre: Russia|Russia]].<br />
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Personal data: young, male, russian, never, not yet, ...<br />
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==== Biography ====<br />
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I was brought up in Moscow and Lipetsk. Although I was born in Uzbekistan, my native language is Russian. I'm (rather) fluent in English, but I like communicating in French and German. I studied a bit Italian and Chinese. I loved languages from the very youth, so I learned [[jbocre: Esperanto|Esperanto]] and tried to create my own language, German-based. Now (Nov 2003) I've found Lojban, wow!<br />
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==== Why Lojban ====<br />
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* Natural languages have their problems,<br />
* constructed languages are boring for everybody except their author<br />
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* It's really great to find a logical language spoken, even by small amount of people. If, I hope, this continues for some time, Lojban wouldn't be constructed language anymore, it will has its own irregularities etc. <br />
* Everybody loves creating something. What's more interesting than creating the new world, esp. for ourselves? We'll get our own jboklu, jbotut and la lojbangug<br />
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* Not so many people love speaking English as a world language, so may be Lojban descendants will unite more people than ever.<br />
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'''Idea:''' when we have enough Lojban people, we could try hieroglyphic script for gismu, with may be special script for cmavo and cmene, like Japanese.<br />
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==== Links: ====<br />
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*Write me: [[jbocre: ailto:i|ilya_nikokoshev@mail.ru]]<br />
*[http://wwwth.itep.ru nstitute for Theoretical and Experimental Physics]<br />
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*Some other positions of mine are [http://www.mccme.ru/i ium] and [http://www.mmonline.ru SU].</div>
Gleki