Difference between revisions of "joi"

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  2a) lo ka broda kei je lo ka brodu cu simsa di;
 
  2a) lo ka broda kei je lo ka brodu cu simsa di;
 
  2b) lo ka broda je brodu na du di.
 
  2b) lo ka broda je brodu na du di.
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Ilmen suggests the following semantics for '''joi gi broda gi brodu''':
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fasnu fa lo gunma be su'oi da poi me ke'a fa lo nu broda .e lo nu brodu .e no na nu broda kei ja nu brodu

Revision as of 19:57, 28 October 2018

BPFK Sections

guskant's writing

CLL 14.14 Non-logical connectives

(Link added for reference — but all the usual disclaimers apply: CLL says quite contradictory things about joi and jo'u.)

gimste definition

non-logical connective: mixed conjunction; 'and' meaning 'mixed together', forming a mass.

la lalxu's diagram

e-vs-johu-vs-joi.png

xorxes's Lojban jbovlaste definition

nalylogji jonma'o .i te jorne le li'erla'i le se li'erla'i ja'e lo gunma

Non-logical connective. Joins the preceding argument and the following argument, with-result: a gunma.

This is compatible with the BPFK definition above (whew!) when taking the resulting gunma to satisfy gunma le li'erla'i .e le se li'erla'i.

broda joi brodu

That definition is fine for SUMTI joi SUMTI, but what about tanru units? The resulting broda joi brodu can't be a gunma (mass).

la ŭakci suggests the following semantics [source: #ckule on Oct 28, 2018]:

«da broda joi brodu» →
1) da broda i je da brodu;
2) su’o di zo’u da ckaji di i je lo ka broda kei je lo ka brodu cu pagbu di;
2a) lo ka broda kei je lo ka brodu cu simsa di;
2b) lo ka broda je brodu na du di.

Ilmen suggests the following semantics for joi gi broda gi brodu:

fasnu fa lo gunma be su'oi da poi me ke'a fa lo nu broda .e lo nu brodu .e no na nu broda kei ja nu brodu