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=BPFK Sections=
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*[[BPFK_Section:_Non-logical_Connectives#cmavo:_joi_.28JOI.29]]
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*[[BPFK_Section:_Non-logical_Connectives#Formal_definitions]]
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** '''X''' joi '''Y''' = lo gunma be '''X''' .e '''Y'''
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=[https://lojban.github.io/cll/14/14/ CLL 14.14 Non-logical connectives]=
 
=[https://lojban.github.io/cll/14/14/ CLL 14.14 Non-logical connectives]=
 
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(Link added for reference — but all the usual disclaimers apply: CLL says quite contradictory things about '''joi''' and '''jo'u'''.)
  
 
=gimste definition=
 
=gimste definition=
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  non-logical connective: mixed conjunction; 'and' meaning 'mixed together', forming a mass.
 
  non-logical connective: mixed conjunction; 'and' meaning 'mixed together', forming a mass.
  
=xorxes's Lojban definition=
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=la lalxu's diagram=
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[[File:e-vs-johu-vs-joi.png]]
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=xorxes's Lojban jbovlaste definition=
  
 
  nalylogji jonma'o .i te jorne le li'erla'i le se li'erla'i ja'e lo gunma
 
  nalylogji jonma'o .i te jorne le li'erla'i le se li'erla'i ja'e lo gunma
  
 
''Non-logical connective. Joins the preceding argument and the following argument, with-result: a '''gunma'''.''
 
''Non-logical connective. Joins the preceding argument and the following argument, with-result: a '''gunma'''.''
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This is compatible with the BPFK definition above (whew!)
  
 
=broda joi brodu=
 
=broda joi brodu=

Revision as of 14:42, 28 October 2018

BPFK Sections

CLL 14.14 Non-logical connectives

(Link added for reference — but all the usual disclaimers apply: CLL says quite contradictory things about joi and jo'u.)

gimste definition

non-logical connective: mixed conjunction; 'and' meaning 'mixed together', forming a mass.

la lalxu's diagram

e-vs-johu-vs-joi.png

xorxes's Lojban jbovlaste definition

nalylogji jonma'o .i te jorne le li'erla'i le se li'erla'i ja'e lo gunma

Non-logical connective. Joins the preceding argument and the following argument, with-result: a gunma.

This is compatible with the BPFK definition above (whew!)

broda joi brodu

That definition is fine for SUMTI joi SUMTI, but what about tanru units? The resulting broda joi brodu can't be a gunma (mass).

la .uakci suggests the following semantics:

«da broda joi brodu» →
1) da broda i je da brodu;
2) su’o di zo’u da ckaji di i je lo ka broda kei je lo ka brodu cu pagbu di;
2a) lo ka broda kei je lo ka brodu cu simsa di;
2b) lo ka broda je brodu na du di.