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The official baselined list of [[jbocre: gismu|gismu]]. This is not just an abstract list; it is an actual document, available at [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt].
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As it stands, the gismu gloss words are not very helpful. After all, their most important task is to serve as the 'correct answer' in Logflash.
  
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I believe that the definition field should be regarded sacred and baselined, while the gloss words should not. (Lojbab agrees with me, and I'll link his mailing list post here in time.) Often, there are several synonyms in the definition which could stand as gloss words. Also, relevant new words could be added.
  
This should probably be [[jbocre: gimste|gimste]], shouldn't it? At least, [[jbocre: jvocu'adju|jvocu'adju]] (from the [[jbocre: jbofi'e|jbofi'e]] distribution) says that ''gimste'' has a better score (5878) than ''gi'uste'' (6367). --pne
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This is important if the Natlang to Lojban part of the dictionary is going to be useful. Someone who is trying to express {jvsv jecta}, is much more likely to look at "state", "government" or "regime" before looking up "polity".
 
 
The scoring algorithm was based on somebody's aesthetic preferences (don't remember who) - which are, surprisingly, not universal. If you want to call it a gimste, go right ahead. But others are welcome to call it a gi'uste if they want to, and still others will say gismu liste. ''FWIW, I prefer ''gi'uste''. But that is definitely influenced by the fact that I saw that form first, and also because it's "closer" in form to ''[[jbocre: ma'oste|ma'oste]]''. --pne''
 
 
 
* ''.e'unai .i la'e zo gi'uste cu cmima jena dunli ro loi smuni be lu gismu liste li'u''
 
 
 
I use ''gimste''. According to [[the Book|the Book]], alternate [[jbocre: rafsi|rafsi]] choices in a [[jbocre: lujvo|lujvo]] give "the same" lujvo (chapter 4 section 5), so it's a matter of preference. Chapter 4 section 12 says the lujvo-scoring algorithm "may change in the future," and "the lowest-scoring variant will usually [[jbocre: that is, not always|that is, not always]] be the dictionary form of the lujvo." There's definitely room for confusion if people rely on paper dictionaries, but electronic lookup should have no trouble with any form of a lujvo. ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''
 

Revision as of 16:53, 4 November 2013

As it stands, the gismu gloss words are not very helpful. After all, their most important task is to serve as the 'correct answer' in Logflash.

I believe that the definition field should be regarded sacred and baselined, while the gloss words should not. (Lojbab agrees with me, and I'll link his mailing list post here in time.) Often, there are several synonyms in the definition which could stand as gloss words. Also, relevant new words could be added.

This is important if the Natlang to Lojban part of the dictionary is going to be useful. Someone who is trying to express {jvsv jecta}, is much more likely to look at "state", "government" or "regime" before looking up "polity".