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== ''lo'ei, le'ei'' ==
0 no => b- (e.g. bau)


* ''[[jbocre: lo'ei|lo'ei]]'', ''[[jbocre: le'ei|le'ei]]''
1 pa => ca
** [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]:] These are xorxes's creation, and I don't accept or understand his definitions of them. But they are useful for things like "I need a box (any box)", ''mi nitcu lo'ei tanxe'', and "I need a box (any box) of a certain kind", ''mi nitcu le'ei tanxe''. These cannot be expressed using nitcu and any other gadri. So my current view is that these two gadri are worthwhile, but not yet satisfactorily defined.


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2 re => de


==== ''loi'e, lei'e'' ====
3 ci => fi


* ''loi'e'', ''lei'e'' -- as discussed on Jboske; more info later. There's an emerging consensus (among all jboskepre bar pc) that they = ''lo'e/le'e'' respectively, but the experimental shapes are there to avoid taking that consensus for granted.
4 vo => go
**''loi'e broda cu brode'' -- "in every world in which lo'i broda is a singleton set but that is like This World in every other respect, lu'a lo'i broda cu brode"


**''lei'e broda cu brode'' -- "in every world in which le'i broda is a singleton set but that is like This World in every other respect, lu'a le'i broda cu brode"
5 mu => ju
* Uses for these include (i) reference to singleton categories, (ii) generic reference ("This depicts a snake", "I like chocolate").


** So "I like (eating) chocolate" would be what? "mi nelci (lo li'i citka/tu'a) lei'e cakla"? Or "loi'e"? Or what? mi'e [[jbocre: pne|.filip.]]
6 xa => ka
** ''mi nelci loi'e cakla'', ''ti pixra loi'e since''.


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7 ze => le


==== ''lau'i, lau'a, lau'o'' ====
8 bi => mi


lau'i broda        = lo klesi be lo'i broda
9 so => no


(ro) lau'a broda    = ro lu'a lo klesi be lo'i broda
10 dau => pu


(pi ro) lau'o broda = (pi ro) lu'o (ro lu'a) lo klesi be lo'i broda
11 fei => ra


''lau'i'' participates in the following paradigm:
12 gai => se


*''lo'i'' = intensionally-defined set, defined by sumti tail
13 jau => ti
*''le'i ro'' = +specific intensionally-defined set -- ''le'i ro broda'' = "a certain kind of broda"


*''le'i (su'o)'' = +specific set (unspecified whether intensionally or extensionally defined) -- ''le'i (su'o) broda'' = "a certain set of broda" or "a certain kind of broda that actually has instances"
14 rei => vo
*''lau'i ro'' = nonspecific intensionally-defined set -- ''lau'i ro broda'' = "Ex x is a kind of broda"


*''lau'i (su'o)'' = nonspecific set (unspecified whether intensionally or extensionally defined) -- ''le'i (su'o) broda'' = "Ex, x is a set of broda" or "Ex, x is a kind of broda that actually has instances"
15 vai => zu


This analysis relies on the assumption that as an inner cardinality indicator, ''ro' differs from ''su'o'' in that only ''su'o'' excludes cardinality 0. If X is a subcategory of Y, but X has (or can have) no instances, then X must be defined intensionally.
Notes:


''lau'a'' and ''lau'o'' are analogous to ''le'' and ''lei'':
1. /x/ is not used in this series because an offical alternative orthography represents it as <h>.


lau'a : lau'i :: le  : le'i
2. The only 5-member CV cmavo series is the FA series, and this could have been changed thus:


lau'o : lau'i :: lei : le'i
fa/fe/fi/fo/fu => xa/xe/xi/xo/xu


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==== pa'ei ====
Of course, one needs to take into consideration the fact that this would destroy a number of other alphabetic series.
 
* ''pa'ei'' -- ''pa'ei broda'' = ''da poi ke'a du le(i)'e broda a lo(i)'e broda a le du ku voi ke'a du lo(i)'e broda''
**''pa'ei broda'' refers to a single broda without making any implications about whether or not there are any other broda.


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Is this what "e-gadri" means?
But all destroyed series would have workarounds, e.g. by changing the intitial C. It goes without saying that the above scheme would have caused wholesale reshuffling of the cmavo form--function assignments.
 
"e-gadri" = ''le/lei/le'e/le'i'' as opposed to o-gadri ''lo/loi/lo'e/lo'i''. ''le'ei'' and 'lei'e'' are more e-gadri, and ''lo'ei'' and ''loi'e'' are more o-gadri. OTOH, the ''lau'V'' series don't fit so neatly into the pattern; they're nonspecific exact counterparts of e-gadri. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]


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Anchored here (because I had to anchor it somewhere): [[jbocre: gadri report, aug 2003]]
[[tinkit|tinkit]] hmm, i like it.  more because the hexadecimal cmavo don't look different than the others.

Latest revision as of 15:40, 23 March 2014

0 no => b- (e.g. bau)

1 pa => ca

2 re => de

3 ci => fi

4 vo => go

5 mu => ju

6 xa => ka

7 ze => le

8 bi => mi

9 so => no

10 dau => pu

11 fei => ra

12 gai => se

13 jau => ti

14 rei => vo

15 vai => zu

Notes:

1. /x/ is not used in this series because an offical alternative orthography represents it as <h>.

2. The only 5-member CV cmavo series is the FA series, and this could have been changed thus:

fa/fe/fi/fo/fu => xa/xe/xi/xo/xu

Of course, one needs to take into consideration the fact that this would destroy a number of other alphabetic series.

But all destroyed series would have workarounds, e.g. by changing the intitial C. It goes without saying that the above scheme would have caused wholesale reshuffling of the cmavo form--function assignments.

tinkit hmm, i like it. more because the hexadecimal cmavo don't look different than the others.

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