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*'''[[go, gi|go, gi]]''' indicates a slightly different correlation and says nothing about causality.
*'''[[go, gi|go, gi]]''' indicates a slightly different correlation and says nothing about causality.


*'''[[jbocre: va'o|va'o]], [[fau|fau]]''' indicate correlation and say nothing about causality?
*'''[[va'o|va'o]], [[fau|fau]]''' indicate correlation and say nothing about causality?
*'''[[mu'ei|mu'ei]]''' is an experimental cmavo which incorporates into Lojban logicians' method of handing conditional statements in terms of [[possible worlds and mu'ei ossible worlds|possible worlds and mu'ei ossible worlds]]; it has been discussed on the wiki as a means to indicate [[counterfactual correlation|counterfactual correlation]].
*'''[[mu'ei|mu'ei]]''' is an experimental cmavo which incorporates into Lojban logicians' method of handing conditional statements in terms of [[possible worlds and mu'ei ossible worlds|possible worlds and mu'ei ossible worlds]]; it has been discussed on the wiki as a means to indicate [[counterfactual correlation|counterfactual correlation]].


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*'''[[bai|bai]]''' indicates causality, in the sense that one event compels another to happen.
*'''[[bai|bai]]''' indicates causality, in the sense that one event compels another to happen.
*'''[[jbocre: ja'e|ja'e]]''' indicates logical causality.
*'''[[ja'e|ja'e]]''' indicates logical causality.


*'''[[selbri for causality rinu|selbri for causality rinu]]''' indicates causality by reason/justification/explanation.
*'''[[selbri for causality rinu|selbri for causality rinu]]''' indicates causality by reason/justification/explanation.
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This page was absolutely getting out of hand, so I've reorganized it. If you feel your viewpoint has been marginalized, sorry.
This page was absolutely getting out of hand, so I've reorganized it. If you feel your viewpoint has been marginalized, sorry.


Please try to keep this list clean - comments about whether a certain form is good or bad should go on the corresponding page. --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]
Please try to keep this list clean - comments about whether a certain form is good or bad should go on the corresponding page. --[[rab.spir|rab.spir]]


* Thanks. A big improvement. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]].
* Thanks. A big improvement. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]].

Revision as of 14:47, 23 March 2014

The English word "if" encompasses a large range of concepts. Sometimes it implies correlation, and sometimes it implies causality. Sometimes it expresses an event happening in a counterfactual world. All of these should be translated differently into Lojban, because they express different concepts.

So, there is no "standard" word or phrase you can use to translate English "if" consistently. The following words can all be used:

  • ganai, gi indicates correlation and says nothing about causality.
  • go, gi indicates a slightly different correlation and says nothing about causality.
  • bai indicates causality, in the sense that one event compels another to happen.
  • ja'e indicates logical causality.

This page was absolutely getting out of hand, so I've reorganized it. If you feel your viewpoint has been marginalized, sorry.

Please try to keep this list clean - comments about whether a certain form is good or bad should go on the corresponding page. --rab.spir