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Or, rafsi not in the official lists (some are mention is such official things as the book).
The English word "if" encompasses a large range of concepts. Sometimes it implies correlation, and sometimes it implies causality. Sometimes it expresses an event happening in a counterfactual world. All of these should be translated differently into Lojban, because they express different concepts.


;jax: jai
So, there is no "standard" word or phrase you can use to translate English "if" consistently. The following words can all be used:


;jaz: jai
*'''[[jbocre: ganai, gi|ganai, gi]]''' indicates correlation and says nothing about causality.
*'''[[jbocre: go, gi|go, gi]]''' indicates a slightly different correlation and says nothing about causality.


;nej: nei
*'''[[jbocre: va'o|va'o]], [[jbocre: fau|fau]]''' indicate correlation and say nothing about causality?
*'''[[jbocre: mu'ei|mu'ei]]''' is an experimental cmavo which incorporates into Lojban logicians' method of handing conditional statements in terms of [[jbocre: possible worlds and mu'ei ossible worlds|possible worlds and mu'ei ossible worlds]]; it has been discussed on the wiki as a means to indicate [[jbocre: counterfactual correlation|counterfactual correlation]].


;zil: zi'o ''zil is in the gismu list, just not the rafsi list''
*'''[[jbocre: CAhA as sumtcita a'a|CAhA as sumtcita a'a]]''' as a sumtcita may indicate necessity like ''ro[[jbocre: mu'ei|mu'ei]]''
*'''[[jbocre: bi'ai|bi'ai]]''' is the true ''ro[[jbocre: mu'ei|mu'ei]]''. ''ca'a'' is a special variation of ''su'o[[jbocre: mu'ei|mu'ei]]''.


;kib: kibro ''kibro is an experimental gismu''
*'''[[jbocre: bai|bai]]''' indicates causality, in the sense that one event compels another to happen.
*'''[[jbocre: ja'e|ja'e]]''' indicates logical causality.


I suggest these for hex digits (mi'e [[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]):
*'''[[jbocre: selbri for causality rinu|selbri for causality rinu]]''' indicates causality by reason/justification/explanation.
*'''[[jbocre: selbri for causality ibli|selbri for causality ibli]]''' indicates causality by logical implication.


duv: dau
*'''[[jbocre: selbri for causality ukti|selbri for causality ukti]]''' indicates causality by motivation/incentive.
*'''[[jbocre: selbri for causality inka|selbri for causality inka]]''' indicates causality by physical cause.


fel: fei
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gam: gai
This page was absolutely getting out of hand, so I've reorganized it. If you feel your viewpoint has been marginalized, sorry.


juz: jau
Please try to keep this list clean - comments about whether a certain form is good or bad should go on the corresponding page. --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]


xem: [[jbocre: xei|xei]]
* Thanks. A big improvement. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]].
 
vav: vai
 
;rex: rei  ''(for those who don't see the need for [[jbocre: xei|xei]] -- [[jbocre: Adam|Adam]])''
 
* Or just say that xem is a rafsi for xei or rei, whichever you use.
** No other cmavo has a rafsi whose only similarity to it is the vowel.

Revision as of 16:52, 4 November 2013

The English word "if" encompasses a large range of concepts. Sometimes it implies correlation, and sometimes it implies causality. Sometimes it expresses an event happening in a counterfactual world. All of these should be translated differently into Lojban, because they express different concepts.

So, there is no "standard" word or phrase you can use to translate English "if" consistently. The following words can all be used:

  • ganai, gi indicates correlation and says nothing about causality.
  • go, gi indicates a slightly different correlation and says nothing about causality.
  • bai indicates causality, in the sense that one event compels another to happen.
  • ja'e indicates logical causality.

This page was absolutely getting out of hand, so I've reorganized it. If you feel your viewpoint has been marginalized, sorry.

Please try to keep this list clean - comments about whether a certain form is good or bad should go on the corresponding page. --rab.spir