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* [[jbocre: hardliners|hardliners]]
* [[hardliners|hardliners]]
* [[jbocre: fundamentalism|fundamentalism]]
* [[fundamentalism|fundamentalism]]


* [[jbocre: naturalism|naturalism]]
* [[naturalism|naturalism]]
* [[jbocre: transcendentalism|transcendentalism]]
* [[transcendentalism|transcendentalism]]


* [[jbocre: On Grunge and conflict resolution|On Grunge and conflict resolution]]
* [[On Grunge and conflict resolution|On Grunge and conflict resolution]]
* [[jbocre: Grice Salvator|Grice Salvator]]
* [[Grice Salvator|Grice Salvator]]


* [[jbocre: On the baseline conformance imperative|On the baseline conformance imperative]]
* [[On the baseline conformance imperative|On the baseline conformance imperative]]
* [[jbocre: SWism|SWism]] = whorfianism
* [[SWism|SWism]] = whorfianism


* [[jbocre: Vulcanism|Vulcanism]]
* [[Vulcanism|Vulcanism]]
* [[jbocre: Progressivism|Progressivism]] favours a baseline that changes for the better.
* [[Progressivism|Progressivism]] favours a baseline that changes for the better.


* [[jbocre: Conservatism|Conservatism]] favours a baseline that doesn't change at all.
* [[Conservatism|Conservatism]] favours a baseline that doesn't change at all.
** ''I think you mean a ''language'' that does or does not change. A baseline is by definition a snapshot of the language at one moment. The issue then is about freezing the language at a baseline, or not. --[[User:xod|xod]]''
** ''I think you mean a ''language'' that does or does not change. A baseline is by definition a snapshot of the language at one moment. The issue then is about freezing the language at a baseline, or not. --[[User:xod|la xod]]''


** I keep on hearing conflicting stories. If a baseline is not necessarily frozen, then presumably it can change. Anyway, I don't mean a ''language'' entire that does or does not change. I mean an explicitly and published ''grammar'' that does or does not change. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
** I keep on hearing conflicting stories. If a baseline is not necessarily frozen, then presumably it can change. Anyway, I don't mean a ''language'' entire that does or does not change. I mean an explicitly and published ''grammar'' that does or does not change. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
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In brief:
In brief:


* [[jbocre: hardliners|hardlinerism]] preaches rigorous definition of semantics and usage that scrupulously adheres to those rigorous definitions.
* [[hardliners|hardlinerism]] preaches rigorous definition of semantics and usage that scrupulously adheres to those rigorous definitions.
* [[jbocre: naturalism|naturalism]] preaches using and treating Lojban as a natural language: it is something to be explored through usage, and should grow organically rather than be formally defined in ways beyond what is set down in the baseline.
* [[naturalism|naturalism]] preaches using and treating Lojban as a natural language: it is something to be explored through usage, and should grow organically rather than be formally defined in ways beyond what is set down in the baseline.


* [[jbocre: fundamentalism|fundamentalism]] preaches that it is a sin to propose any elements of the language design that deviate from the baseline
* [[fundamentalism|fundamentalism]] preaches that it is a sin to propose any elements of the language design that deviate from the baseline


Naturalism and hardlinerism are incompatible, but all other possible combinations of these ideologies are attested in one Lojbanist or another.
Naturalism and hardlinerism are incompatible, but all other possible combinations of these ideologies are attested in one Lojbanist or another.
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Has anyone beside me noticed that Nick turns up as a Hardliner and a Naturalist? In discussion with And, [[User:xod  (xod|xod  (xod]]) realized that this faction classification system could bear one more fine tuning pass. Hence, I am creating at least one more position, [[jbocre: SWism|SWism]], to sort of replace some of [[jbocre: transcendentalism|transcendentalism]] and maybe [[jbocre: naturalism|naturalism]], but which I think is more conceptually coherent. --[[User:xod|xod]]
Has anyone beside me noticed that Nick turns up as a Hardliner and a Naturalist? In discussion with And, [[User:xod  (xod|xod  (xod]]) realized that this faction classification system could bear one more fine tuning pass. Hence, I am creating at least one more position, [[SWism|SWism]], to sort of replace some of [[transcendentalism|transcendentalism]] and maybe [[naturalism|naturalism]], but which I think is more conceptually coherent. --[[User:xod|la xod]]


* [[jbocre: SWism|SWism]]
* [[SWism|SWism]]

Latest revision as of 08:17, 30 June 2014

  • Conservatism favours a baseline that doesn't change at all.
    • I think you mean a language that does or does not change. A baseline is by definition a snapshot of the language at one moment. The issue then is about freezing the language at a baseline, or not. --la xod
    • I keep on hearing conflicting stories. If a baseline is not necessarily frozen, then presumably it can change. Anyway, I don't mean a language entire that does or does not change. I mean an explicitly and published grammar that does or does not change. --And Rosta

In brief:

  • hardlinerism preaches rigorous definition of semantics and usage that scrupulously adheres to those rigorous definitions.
  • naturalism preaches using and treating Lojban as a natural language: it is something to be explored through usage, and should grow organically rather than be formally defined in ways beyond what is set down in the baseline.
  • fundamentalism preaches that it is a sin to propose any elements of the language design that deviate from the baseline

Naturalism and hardlinerism are incompatible, but all other possible combinations of these ideologies are attested in one Lojbanist or another.

--And Rosta


Has anyone beside me noticed that Nick turns up as a Hardliner and a Naturalist? In discussion with And, xod (xod) realized that this faction classification system could bear one more fine tuning pass. Hence, I am creating at least one more position, SWism, to sort of replace some of transcendentalism and maybe naturalism, but which I think is more conceptually coherent. --la xod