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--''Actually, there are many more groups like this.  All 1342 gismu can be sorted into groups having the same consonant CCC core. The complete statistics is the following:''
--''Actually, there are many more groups like this.  All 1342 gismu can be sorted into groups having the same consonant CCC core. The complete statistics is the following:''
 
<tab class="wikitable sortable" head=top>
#of CCC cores   #of groups
#of CCC cores #of groups
 
1 647 (unique gismu, not interesting)
1         647 (unique gismu, not interesting)
2 193
 
3 66
2         193
4 16
 
5 4
3         66
6 3
 
9 1 (brd)
4         16
</tab>
 
5           4
 
6           3
 
9           1 (brd)
 
Total: 930 groups, 1342 words
Total: 930 groups, 1342 words


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Here's a table of gismu pairs with swapped consonants:
Here's a table of gismu pairs with swapped consonants:


|bajra|barja
<tab class="wikitable sortable">
 
bajra barja
|balni|banli
balni banli
 
berti betri
|berti|betri
canti catni
 
cedra cerda
|canti|catni
danti datni
 
darsi dasri
|cedra|cerda
festi fetsi
 
ganra garna
|danti|datni
janta jatna
 
kabri karbi
|darsi|dasri
kalri karli
 
kufra kurfa
|festi|fetsi
nanvi navni
 
pulni punli
|ganra|garna
racli ralci
 
ractu ratcu
|janta|jatna
ranti ratni
 
rilti ritli
|kabri|karbi
rinsa risna
 
sacki sakci
|kalri|karli
sodva sovda
 
stali tsali
|kufra|kurfa
stani tsani
 
tabno tanbo
|nanvi|navni
tinsa tisna
 
</tab>
|pulni|punli
 
|racli|ralci
 
|ractu|ratcu
 
|ranti|ratni
 
|rilti|ritli
 
|rinsa|risna
 
|sacki|sakci
 
|sodva|sovda
 
|stali|tsali
 
|stani|tsani
 
|tabno|tanbo
 
|tinsa|tisna


*and ''xrula'', ''xlura''
*and ''xrula'', ''xlura''
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Here's a table of gismu pairs with a consonant swapped with the neighboring vowel:
Here's a table of gismu pairs with a consonant swapped with the neighboring vowel:


|bartu|bratu
<tab class="wikitable sortable">
 
bartu bratu
|bruna|burna
bruna burna
 
cikre ckire
|cikre|ckire
cinta cnita
 
citno ctino
|cinta|cnita
garna grana
 
gerku greku
|citno|ctino
jbini jibni
 
kruji kurji
|garna|grana
marji mraji
 
pelji pleji
|gerku|greku
sakci skaci
 
samcu smacu
|jbini|jibni
sarji sraji
 
stura sutra
|kruji|kurji
tarti trati
 
tirna trina
|marji|mraji
tisna tsina
 
</tab>
|pelji|pleji
 
|sakci|skaci
 
|samcu|smacu
 
|sarji|sraji
 
|stura|sutra
 
|tarti|trati
 
|tirna|trina
 
|tisna|tsina
 
----
 
(Some of us (me anyway) have been wondering about punning in Lojban,
 
& these last two types seem extremely promising...anybody want to
 
write some jokes?)


One that's come up so far is ''ko ko kruji'' "turn yourself into cream" as a pun on ''ko ko kurji'' "take care of yourself" -- turning a popular(?) expression of goodwill into an insult or a threat. mi'e filip.
==Discussion==
*Some of us have been wondering about punning in Lojban, & these last two types seem extremely promising...anybody want to write some jokes?)
**filip:
**:One that's come up so far is '''ko ko kruji''' "turn yourself into cream" as a pun on '''ko ko kurji''' "take care of yourself" - turning a popular(?) expression of goodwill into an insult or a threat.

Latest revision as of 15:17, 4 July 2014

  • balni bilni
  • bradi bredi bridi broda brode brodi brodo brodu
  • canko cinki
  • cmalu cmila
  • janco jinci
  • merli mirli mrilu mruli
  • nanmu ninmu
  • plana plini
  • platu pluta
  • prane prina prenu

--Actually, there are many more groups like this. All 1342 gismu can be sorted into groups having the same consonant CCC core. The complete statistics is the following: <tab class="wikitable sortable" head=top>

  1. of CCC cores #of groups

1 647 (unique gismu, not interesting) 2 193 3 66 4 16 5 4 6 3 9 1 (brd) </tab> Total: 930 groups, 1342 words

The champion is brd: 9 gismu:

  • brd: barda bradi bredi bridi broda brode brodi brodo brodu

3 groups of 6:

  • plj: pelji pilji pleji pluja polje pulji
  • pln: palne pilno plana plini polno pulni
  • trn: tirna torni trano trene trina turni

4 groups of 5:

  • brt: bartu berti birti bratu brito
  • cnt: canti centi cinta cnita cuntu
  • crn: carna cerni crane crino curnu
  • stc: satci setca stace steci stici

16 groups of 4:

  • bnd: bandu bende bindo bunda
  • ckl: cakla ckilu ckule cukla
  • ckn: cikna ckana ckini ckunu
  • cmn: cimni cmana cmene cmoni
  • cns: censa cinse cnisa cunso
  • crt: cartu certu cortu critu
  • ctn: catni citno ctino cutne
  • grn: garna gerna grana gurni
  • jbr: jabre jbari jbera jibri
  • krc: karce korcu krici kruca
  • mrl: merli mirli mrilu mruli
  • plt: palta platu plita pluta
  • pnj: panje pinji ponjo punji
  • prn: prane prenu prina pruni
  • snc: sance senci since sonci
  • str: satre stero stura sutra

The complete list is too long to put here. I may upload the files on my website some day. --mi'e .evgenis.

Please do. --mi'e .filip.


There's also the things which might be termed "gimsu" - they are the same except with a medial consonant pair reversed. Consider sodva/sovda. That confuses me every time.

  • ratcu ractu - cfipu sai mu'i lenu roreri mabru

Here's a table of gismu pairs with swapped consonants:

<tab class="wikitable sortable"> bajra barja balni banli berti betri canti catni cedra cerda danti datni darsi dasri festi fetsi ganra garna janta jatna kabri karbi kalri karli kufra kurfa nanvi navni pulni punli racli ralci ractu ratcu ranti ratni rilti ritli rinsa risna sacki sakci sodva sovda stali tsali stani tsani tabno tanbo tinsa tisna </tab>

  • and xrula, xlura
    • the bugger with this one is that you think 'flora' and that yields a falsefriend with xlura. --And Rosta
    • you mean xruli? --tsali
      • I doubt it, since that word's not in my gismu list, but xrula is ("flower"). mi'e filip.

Here's a table of gismu pairs with a consonant swapped with the neighboring vowel:

<tab class="wikitable sortable"> bartu bratu bruna burna cikre ckire cinta cnita citno ctino garna grana gerku greku jbini jibni kruji kurji marji mraji pelji pleji sakci skaci samcu smacu sarji sraji stura sutra tarti trati tirna trina tisna tsina </tab>

Discussion

  • Some of us have been wondering about punning in Lojban, & these last two types seem extremely promising...anybody want to write some jokes?)
    • filip:
      One that's come up so far is ko ko kruji "turn yourself into cream" as a pun on ko ko kurji "take care of yourself" - turning a popular(?) expression of goodwill into an insult or a threat.