Difference between revisions of "fraso"

From Lojban
Jump to navigation Jump to search
m
 
m
Line 1: Line 1:
  
(Don't like [[jbocre: cultural gismu|cultural gismu]]? Want to junk all of [[jbocre: cultural gismu hem|cultural gismu hem]]? First you'll need to have replacements available for use.)
+
ni'o so'o natmi cu xabju la fasygug. .i le fraso ce'e le midju pe'eje le [[jbocre: provansalo|provansalo]] ce'e le
  
See [[jbocre: cultural replacement lujvo|cultural replacement lujvo]], [[jbocre: another approach to cultural fu'ivla|another approach to cultural fu'ivla]] and also [[jbocre: ISO generated cultural fu'ivla|ISO generated cultural fu'ivla]].
+
snanu pe'eje le [[jbocre: skalduna|skalduna]] ce'e le nanstici pe'eje le [[jbocre: bre'one|bre'one]] ce'e le berstici pe'eje le
  
== Geographic ==
+
[[jbocre: normano|normano]] ce'e le berti pe'eje le [[jbocre: dotco|dotco]] ce'e le berstuna cu xabju .i le tutra be le dotco fraso
  
{FANCYTABLE( width="480",head=" glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes", sortable="n",sortList="[[jbocre: 0,0]],[[jbocre: 1,0]]]]
+
cu se cmene zo .elzas. fa'u zo LOtringen. le dotco gi'e se cmene zo .alSAS. fa'u zo loREN.
  
African| |afrkia|fra'ika|
+
le fraso .i le tutra be le skalduna cu se cmene zo .auskalerik. .i la .auskalerik. puzujecanai
  
Afro-Eurasian| | | |
+
tutra fe'epu'o la gaRON. va'i la'o ly. garumna .ly .i ra se fendi fo le korbi be le fraso bei
  
American| |amrkia|mre'ika|
+
le [[jbocre: spano|spano]] .iji'a ne'u zasti fa le [[jbocre: la kors.|la kors.]] natmi noi daplu xabju zi'enoi se bangu sepa'a [[jbocre: la talian.|la talian.]]
  
Antarctican| | |dzi'ipo|
+
.i piso'i ra to .e la .auskalerik. toi puzajeca djica lenu sepli la fasygug. .ije du'e .oi zukte ta'i leka vlile
 
 
Australian | | | |sra'alo|
 
 
 
Asian| | | | xa'azdo|
 
 
 
Eurasian| | | |
 
 
 
European| |erpa|xre'opa, vre'opa|
 
 
 
North American| | |bernmre'ika|
 
 
 
South American| | |nanrmre'ika |by the syllable-switching trick, Quechua --> ''tce'uka''?
 
 
 
{FANCYTABLE}
 
 
 
== Political/Ethnicity/Language (please specify) ==
 
 
 
{FANCYTABLE( width="480",head=" glico |type | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes", sortable="n",sortList="[[jbocre: 0,0]],[[jbocre: 1,0]]]]
 
 
 
Afghan| poli,lang|| | |
 
 
 
Afro-Asiatic| | | | |
 
 
 
Arabic| ethn,lang|| | |
 
 
 
Albanian| | | | |
 
 
 
Algerian| |djazari| |
 
 
 
Altaic| | | | |
 
 
 
American Samoa|Amerika Sāmoa|steito asmo'a| |
 
 
 
Andalusian| | | | |
 
 
 
Andorran| | | | |
 
 
 
Angolan| | | | |
 
 
 
Anglophone| lang| | | | |
 
 
 
Argentinian| | |arxentina|xre'ina|
 
 
 
Armenian | | հայերեն (hɑjɛˈɾɛn)|xa'erne| |
 
 
 
Aromanian| | | | |
 
 
 
Aruban| | | | |
 
 
 
Assyrian| | | | |
 
 
 
Australian| |kulnraustralia, straina|sraila|
 
 
 
Austrian| | | | |
 
 
 
Austronesian| | | | |
 
 
 
Azeri|Азәрбајҹан|azrbaidjna| |
 
 
 
Bahamian| | | | |
 
 
 
Bahraini| | | | |
 
 
 
Balochi| | | | |
 
 
 
Bangladeshi|বাংলা (ˈbaŋla)|bangla'e| |
 
 
 
Bantu| | | | |
 
 
 
Barbadian| | | | |
 
 
 
Basque|Euskadi|eskladi, skalduna| |country
 
 
 
Basque|Euskara|eskra| |language
 
 
 
Bavarian (German)|Bayern (ˈbaɪ.ɐn)|bai'arno| |
 
 
 
Belarusian|беларуская|blarska'a | |
 
 
 
Belgian| | | | |
 
 
 
Belizean| | | | |
 
 
 
Bengali|Bangla|bengali| |
 
 
 
Berber| | | | |
 
 
 
Boer| | | | |
 
 
 
Bosnian| | | | |
 
 
 
Brazilian|Brasil| |bra'ila|
 
 
 
Breton| | |bre'one|
 
 
 
British| poli | |bri'ito|
 
 
 
British Virgin Islands| |bri'ito plurvardjino| |
 
 
 
Bulgarian| | | | |
 
 
 
Burkinabe| | | | |
 
 
 
Burundian| | | | |
 
 
 
Cajun| | | | |
 
 
 
Cambodian| | | | |
 
 
 
Cameroonian| | | | |
 
 
 
Canadian| | | | |cka'ada|It seems ''ka'anda'' doesn't fit the [[jbocre: rafsi fu'ivla|rafsi fu'ivla]] form.
 
 
 
Catalan| | | | |
 
 
 
Cape Verdean| | | | |
 
 
 
Chadian| | | | |
 
 
 
Chilean| | |tci'ile|
 
 
 
Chinese| ethn| 中华/zhōnghuá | djonxua | djo'uxa| [[jbocre: Why jungo makes no sense.|Why jungo makes no sense.]]
 
 
 
Chinese (PRC)| poli | 中国/zhōngguó |djonguo | djo'ugo| [[jbocre: gugrjunguo|gugrjunguo]] ? see above
 
 
 
Chinese (Han)| ethn |汉族 hànzú | xandzu | xna'azu |
 
 
 
Chuvash| | Чӑвашла (tɕəʋaʂˈla)|tcufcla| |
 
 
 
Colombian| | | | |
 
 
 
Comorian| | | | |
 
 
 
Conglolese| | | | |
 
 
 
Corsican| | | | |
 
 
 
Croatian|hrvatski (xř̩ʋaːtski)|xraftski| |
 
 
 
Cuban| | | | |
 
 
 
Cypriot| | | | |
 
 
 
Czech|čeština (ˈt͡ʃɛʃcɪna)|tcectsina| |
 
 
 
Dane| | | | |
 
 
 
Dominican| | | | |
 
 
 
Dravidian| |dravida| |
 
 
 
Netherlander/Dutch|Nederland|enderla| |
 
 
 
Netherlands Antilles|Nederlandse Antillen| |enderla antile|
 
 
 
East Timorese| | | | |
 
 
 
Ecuadorian| | | | |
 
 
 
Egyptian| | |smi'iro|
 
 
 
Emirati| | | | |
 
 
 
English| ?| | |gli'ico|
 
 
 
Eritrean| | | | |
 
 
 
Erzya|эрзянь|erzia| |
 
 
 
Esperanto|lang,cult|Esperanto|espranto|spe'ato|
 
 
 
Estonian|eesti (ˈeːsti) |esti|ste'iti, sto'ina|
 
 
 
Ethiopian| | | | |
 
 
 
Evenki|Эвэнки|evneki| |
 
 
 
Finn| | | | |
 
 
 
Finnic| | | | |
 
 
 
Finnish| | |tsu'omi|
 
 
 
Finno-Ugric| | | | |
 
 
 
Fijian| | | | |
 
 
 
Filipino| | | | |
 
 
 
French| | |fra'ase|
 
 
 
Georgian| | | | |
 
 
 
German| | |jdoico|
 
 
 
Germanic| | | | |
 
 
 
Ghanaian| | | | |
 
 
 
Gibraltar| | | | |
 
 
 
Greek| poli,lang,ethn|kulnrxelada| |
 
 
 
Greenlandic|Kalaallisut|klalsitu| |
 
 
 
Grenadian| | | | |
 
 
 
Guatemalan| | | | |
 
 
 
Guianese| | | | |
 
 
 
Guinean| | | | |
 
 
 
Guinea-Bissau| | | | |
 
 
 
Guyanese| | | | |
 
 
 
Haida| | | | |
 
 
 
Haitian| | | | |
 
 
 
Hebrew| | | | |
 
 
 
Hindi| |indi| |
 
 
 
Hispanic| | |spi'ani|
 
 
 
Honduran| | | | |
 
 
 
Hongkonger| |xonkno| |
 
 
 
Hungarian|Magyar| |jma'aro|
 
 
 
Hutus| | | | |
 
 
 
Icelander| | | | |
 
 
 
Igbo| | | | |
 
 
 
Inari Sami|anarâškielâ|anraci| |
 
 
 
Indian| | | | |
 
 
 
Indo-Aryan| | | | |
 
 
 
Indo-European| | | | |
 
 
 
Indonesian| | | | |
 
 
 
Inuit| | | | |
 
 
 
Inuktitut| |inktitu| |
 
 
 
Iranian| | | | |
 
 
 
Iraqi| | |xri'aki|
 
 
 
Irish|Ireland (ˈaɾlənd), Éire (ˈeːɾʲə)|erlando| |
 
 
 
Israeli| | |sra'eli|
 
 
 
Italian|Italia|iltalia| |
 
 
 
Ivoirian| | | | |
 
 
 
Jamaican| | | | |
 
 
 
Japanese|Nihon| |sni'ono|
 
 
 
Javanese| | | | |
 
 
 
Jordanian|Al-Urdun|lurduno| |
 
 
 
Karen| | | | |
 
 
 
Kazakh| | | | |
 
 
 
Kenyan| | | | |
 
 
 
Klingon| | |kli'iga|
 
 
 
Korean |  | | | | |
 
 
 
Kosovo Albanian| | | | |
 
 
 
Kurd| | | | |
 
 
 
Kurdish| | | | |
 
 
 
Kuwaiti| | | | |
 
 
 
Lao| | | | |
 
 
 
Latin|Latīna (laˈtiːna)|kulnrlatina, la'itna, latnia| |
 
 
 
Latvian|latviešu|latfiecu| |
 
 
 
Lebanese| | | | |
 
 
 
Liberian| | | | |
 
 
 
Libyan| | | | |
 
 
 
Liechtensteiner| | | | |
 
 
 
Limbu|Yakthung|iaktu| |
 
 
 
Lithuanian|lietuvių|iltuviu| |
 
 
 
Livonian|Līvõ|ilvo| |
 
 
 
Lojbanic| | | |jbo'anu|This one is ugly.Aside from the debate about whether "Lojbanic" should be a [[jbocre: fu'ivla|fu'ivla]] at all, there's really no good way to cram any form of ''logji bangu'' into CCVVCV. However, here's an attempt. ''jbo'anu'' --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]  Maybe ''jbaubo''Ah ha, I get it - rearranging the vowels of ''jbobau''.
 
 
 
Luxembourger| | | | |
 
 
 
Macedonian| | | | |
 
 
 
Malawian| | | | |
 
 
 
Malaysian| | |mle'eja|
 
 
 
Malay-Indonesian| | | | |
 
 
 
Malian| | | | |
 
 
 
Maltese| | | | |
 
 
 
Manchu| |mantcu'u| |
 
 
 
Mandarin|lang|Pǔtōnghuà|putnxua| tno'uxa|
 
 
 
Manx| | | | |
 
 
 
Maori| | | | |
 
 
 
Mauritian| | | | |
 
 
 
Mayan| | | | |
 
 
 
Mexican| | |sme'iko|
 
 
 
Moldovan| | | | |
 
 
 
Mongolian| | | | |
 
 
 
Moroccan| | |gri'iba|
 
 
 
Montenegrin| | | | |
 
 
 
Namibian| | | | |
 
 
 
Native American| | | | |
 
 
 
Nepalese| | | | |
 
 
 
New Zealander| | | | |
 
 
 
Nicaraguan| | | | |
 
 
 
Nigerian| | | | |
 
 
 
Nigerien| | | | |
 
 
 
Niger-Congo| | | | |
 
 
 
Northern Sami|Davvisámegiella|dafsamegiela|
 
 
 
Norwegian|| | |sno'ogo|I'm Swedish so feel free to replace if you come up with something better
 
 
 
Ossetic|Ирон|irno| |
 
 
 
Pakistani| | | | |
 
 
 
Palauan| | | | |
 
 
 
Palestinian| | | | |
 
 
 
Panamanian| | | | |
 
 
 
Papua New Guinean| | | | |
 
 
 
Paraguayan| | | | |
 
 
 
Persian|Farsi| |fa'arsi|
 
 
 
Peruvian| | | | |
 
 
 
Piedmont (Italian)|Piemonte|pienmote| |
 
 
 
Polish|polski|polski|plo'oka|
 
 
 
Polynesian| || |plo'ini|forget the autonym, the gismu list manages with ''polno''
 
 
 
Portuguese| | |pro'uge|
 
 
 
Puerto Rican| | |prueto|
 
 
 
Punjabi| | | | |
 
 
 
Quebecer| | | | |
 
 
 
Quechua|('χetʃ.wa)|xetcua| |
 
 
 
Reunionnai| | | | |
 
 
 
Roma| | | | |
 
 
 
Romanian| | | | |
 
 
 
Russian|русский (ˈruskʲɪj)|kulnlrosia|sro'isa|
 
 
 
Rwandan| | | | |
 
 
 
Salvandoran| | | | |
 
 
 
Sami| | | | |
 
 
 
Samoyedic| | | | |
 
 
 
Sanskrit|संस्कृता saṃskṛtā|samskrta| |
 
 
 
Sao Tome and Principe| | | | |
 
 
 
Sardinian| | | | |
 
 
 
Saudi| | | | |
 
 
 
Semitic| | | | |
 
 
 
Senegalese| | | | |
 
 
 
Serb|Srpski (ˈsr̩pskiː)|serpski| |
 
 
 
Scot| | |sco'oto|
 
 
 
Sicilian| | | | |
 
 
 
Sierra Leonean| | | | |
 
 
 
Silesian| | | | |
 
 
 
Singaporean| | | | |
 
 
 
Slavic| | |slo'ovo|
 
 
 
Slovak|slovenčina|slovntcina| |
 
 
 
Slovene|slovenščina|slovnctcina| |
 
 
 
Somali| | | | |
 
 
 
South African| | | | |
 
 
 
Soviet|| |kulnrsovietskii| |Seems wrong for me. ''softo'' does '''not''' mean ''Soviet'' - read the full definition, not just the keyword! -- mi'e [[User:Cyril Slobin ir|Cyril Slobin ir]])
 
 
 
Spanish| | |spa'ano|
 
 
 
Sri Lankan| | | | |
 
 
 
Sudanese| | | | |
 
 
 
Swedish| | |sfe'ero|
 
 
 
Swiss| | | | |
 
 
 
Syrian| | | | |
 
 
 
Syriac| | | | |
 
 
 
Tai| | | | |
 
 
 
Taiwanese| | | | |
 
 
 
Tamil| | | | |
 
 
 
Tanzanian| | | | |
 
 
 
Tatar| | | | |
 
 
 
Thai| | | | |
 
 
 
Tibetan| | | | |
 
 
 
Tlapanec|Meph'aa|
 
 
 
Tlingit|Lingít (ɬɪŋkɪ́t)|linkti| |
 
 
 
Tobagonian| | | | |
 
 
 
Trinidadian| | | | |
 
 
 
Tsez|цезйас| |tseiza|
 
 
 
Tungusic| | | | |
 
 
 
Turkic| | | | |
 
 
 
Turkish|Türkçe (ˈt̪yɾktʃe)|turktce| |
 
 
 
Tutsi| | | | |
 
 
 
Tuvaluan| | | | |
 
 
 
Udmurt|удмурт|udmurtu| |
 
 
 
Ugandan| | | | |
 
 
 
Ugric| | | | |
 
 
 
Uralic| | | | |
 
 
 
Ukrainian|украї́нська (ukrɑˈjinʲsʲkɑ)|krainska| |
 
 
 
Urdu| |urdu| |
 
 
 
Uruguayan| | | | |
 
 
 
UK| |unke, kingdo| |
 
 
 
U.S.| || |steito|I suggest ''steito'' for U.S. Keep in mind that Central Americans call themselves ''americano''.) ''Not only Central Americans. I call myself americano as well. --mi'e [[User:xorxes|xorxes]]''
 
 
 
Uzbek|Ўзбекча|zbektca| |
 
 
 
Venezuelan| | | | |
 
 
 
Vietnamese| | ||zvi'ena|I'm not sure if {ie} sounds like "iệt", so I use y'ybu here. I prefer {zv} over {jv} in ease of pronouncing — mi'e xydyx
 
 
 
Warlpiri| |uarlpiri| |
 
 
 
Welsh|Cymru (ˈkəmrɨ)|ekmru, uelcu|ckueru|
 
 
 
Yemeni| | | | |
 
 
 
Zambian| | | | |
 
 
 
Zimbabwean| | | | |
 
 
 
Zulu| | | | |
 
 
 
{FANCYTABLE}
 
 
 
 
 
== Philosophy/Religion ==
 
 
 
{FANCYTABLE( width="480",head=" glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes", sortable="n",sortList="[[jbocre: 0,0]],[[jbocre: 1,0]]]]
 
 
 
Aristotelian|Aristoteles|arstotele| |
 
 
 
Buddhist| | |jbu'udo|
 
 
 
Cartesian|Descartes|dekrto| |
 
 
 
Christian| |kulnrxristiano|xraiso|
 
 
 
Confucian|Kǒng zǐ|kongzi| |
 
 
 
Hobbesian| |xo'obzu| |
 
 
 
Islamic| | |sla'ami|
 
 
 
Jehovist| | | |
 
 
 
Jewish|||dju'icy|
 
 
 
Kantian|Kant|aknto|kna'ati |
 
 
 
Marxian| Marx |marksu| mra'asi|
 
 
 
Platonistic|Platon| |pla'ato|
 
 
 
Taoist| 道教/dàojiào | daudjiau |dji'ado, djo'ixo, dja'uda |
 
 
 
{FANCYTABLE}
 
  
 
----
 
----
  
== Discussion ==
+
Why isn't this organized like the other sub pages of [[jbocre: le tutra pe le terdi|le tutra pe le terdi]]?
 
 
This whole things seems rather a waste of effort to me. Attempting to come up with a word for each and every country, race, culture, language, etc. that exist is an over-ambitious and ultimately fruitless task. Instead of trying to come up with a "cultural" word for everything, we should use [[jbocre: cultural replacement lujvo ultural words|cultural replacement lujvo ultural words]] where the specific culture/language/country/etc. is a place-tag to be filled be a cmene or cmevla.
 
 
 
kulnr- words are all well and good, but the idea of cultural fu'ivla as proposed in the book is to use the CCVVCV form so that corresponding CCVVC rafsi can be formed. Many lujvo already involve cultural rafsi (the 3-letter kind), so eliminating cultural rafsi altogether would be damaging to the language. --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]
 
 
 
*In that case, Rob, Classic Wiki Conflict Resolution: I suggest kunlr- words, you suggest CCVVCV words, they both go on the Marketplace Of Ideas (and hopefully neither wins and the baseline is preserved! Mwahahah :-) (Btw, as another meta-point: since gli'ico is glico with an extra vowel, it doesn't address the 'recognisability' objection.) -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
 
**I actually don't have a problem with [[jbocre: cultural gismu|cultural gismu]] - however, if they are going to become taboo, I'd at least like to have [[jbocre: rafsi fu'ivla|rafsi fu'ivla]] to fall back on. I realize that CCVVCV will be just as unrecognizable as CCVCV or CVCCV. Besides, this is the one place where the baseline bends! The book states that [[jbocre: rafsi fu'ivla|rafsi fu'ivla]] might be used, or they might not. I think we might as well play with it and see what happens.
 
 
 
** and if neither wins, what do we do for, say, taiwanese culture?
 
 
 
Are we agreed that the place should form the basis of cultural fu'ivla in general (and where available --- counterexample, Roma/Gypsies), rather than the nationality? That's what has been assumed in [[jbocre: le tutra pe le terdi|le tutra pe le terdi]]. (And please God, not more "thousand flowers".) Is it ''kulnlrosia'', or ''kulnlruskii''? -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
 
 
 
kulnlruskii - russian culture. tutrlrosia - Russia. Or use the gismu for the source languages of lojban...
 
 
 
PS: Love to see you come up with an autonym for Polynesian...
 
 
 
''mononesian?''
 
 
 
* Not antonym, but autonym: self-designation
 
  
The above is a list of all the cultures that Lojban currently has gismu for, plus a couple of others. If there is another culture you'd like the word for, then by all means, add it.
+
'Cause it's the first one I did and I didn't know how to do wikis yet. --phma
  
We have a gismu for '''Antarctica'''?  ''Sure thing. '''dzipo''' (I understand it's from '''cadzu cipni''', land of the walking birds (i.e. penguins)'' It even has '''two''' short rafsi: -zip- and -zi'o-.
+
'' .i ko jundi le lidne sidbo pe le la .uikis. ciste ge'u po'u ledu'u ganai do na nelci da gi ba'e do fuzme lenu cikre da ''

Revision as of 16:50, 4 November 2013

ni'o so'o natmi cu xabju la fasygug. .i le fraso ce'e le midju pe'eje le provansalo ce'e le

snanu pe'eje le skalduna ce'e le nanstici pe'eje le bre'one ce'e le berstici pe'eje le

normano ce'e le berti pe'eje le dotco ce'e le berstuna cu xabju .i le tutra be le dotco fraso

cu se cmene zo .elzas. fa'u zo LOtringen. le dotco gi'e se cmene zo .alSAS. fa'u zo loREN.

le fraso .i le tutra be le skalduna cu se cmene zo .auskalerik. .i la .auskalerik. puzujecanai

tutra fe'epu'o la gaRON. va'i la'o ly. garumna .ly .i ra se fendi fo le korbi be le fraso bei

le spano .iji'a ne'u zasti fa le la kors. natmi noi daplu xabju zi'enoi se bangu sepa'a la talian.

.i piso'i ra to .e la .auskalerik. toi puzajeca djica lenu sepli la fasygug. .ije du'e .oi zukte ta'i leka vlile


Why isn't this organized like the other sub pages of le tutra pe le terdi?

'Cause it's the first one I did and I didn't know how to do wikis yet. --phma

.i ko jundi le lidne sidbo pe le la .uikis. ciste ge'u po'u ledu'u ganai do na nelci da gi ba'e do fuzme lenu cikre da