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One of the claimed advantages of [[jbocre: Lojban Description|Lojban Description]] is [[jbocre: audio-visual isomorphism|audio-visual isomorphism]]: spoken and written utterances in the language are structurally identical.
See [[cultural replacement lujvo]], [[another approach to cultural fu'ivla]] and also [[ISO generated cultural fu'ivla]].


It's not strictly true. Minor, avoidable breakdowns of audiovisual isomorphism are possible. "Minor" means they're unlikely to confuse humans, though they may confuse stupid computer programs. "Avoidable" means you can speak and write so that the breakdowns do not occur.
== Geographic ==


* [[jbocre: The Book|The Book]] (chapter 19 section 10) mentions that ''zoi'' quotation is an example of breakdown. A guard word that can safely delimit text may not be safe in speech, and vice versa.
glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes


* Some people may write both ''to'' and ''vei'' as "(", leading to ambiguity in whether the parenthesis is the start of a parethetical comment or a mathematical expression. The same obviously goes for the right parenthesis. (But writing this way is not common practice.)
African| |afrkia|fra'ika|
** this is avoidable... by using ''to'' and ''vei''. obviously things can start to breakdown if you don't follow the rules. it doesn't really seem worth mentioning, certainly not as evidence that there are breakdowns in lojban's audiovisual isomorphism


* Since not all pauses are written, even when mandatory spoken, that is a breakdown.
Afro-Eurasian| | | |
** The pause does not have to be written "." to be represented in the text. When I write ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]'' instead of ''mi'e .[[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]].'', it's unambiguous from the word spacing that ''jezrax'' is a ''cmene'' not preceded by ''la'' or ''doi'' and must be surrounded with pauses. So no information is lost in writing.


* [[jbocre: Lojban Description|Lojban Description]] text does not mark for stress. An unambiguous orthography (which is what we have, stress-wise) is not the same as an isomorphic one.
American| |amrkia|mre'ika|
** I don't think that's a breakdown; similarly to pauses, the information represented by stress in speech is usually represented as word breaks in writing. I don't see any information gained or lost either way, though it's true the system is complicated and it's hard to be completely sure. See WordResolutionAlgorithm. ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''


Others? Do any serious or non-avoidable breakdowns exist?
Antarctican| | |dzi'ipo|


''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''
Australian | | | |sra'alo|
 
Asian| | | | xa'azdo|
 
Eurasian| | | |
 
European| |erpa|xre'opa, vre'opa|
 
North American| | |bernmre'ika|
 
South American| | |nanrmre'ika |by the syllable-switching trick, Quechua --> ''tce'uka''?
 
== Political/Ethnicity/Language (please specify) ==
 
glico |type | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes
 
Afghan| poli,lang|| | |
 
Afro-Asiatic| | | | |
 
Arabic| ethn,lang|| | |
 
Albanian| | | | |
 
Algerian| |djazari| |
 
Altaic| | | | |
 
American Samoa|Amerika Sāmoa|steito asmo'a| |
 
Andalusian| | | | |
 
Andorran| | | | |
 
Angolan| | | | |
 
Anglophone| lang| | | | |
 
Argentinian| | |arxentina|xre'ina|
 
Armenian | | հայերեն (hɑjɛˈɾɛn)|xa'erne| |
 
Aromanian| | | | |
 
Aruban| | | | |
 
Assyrian| | | | |
 
Australian| |kulnraustralia, straina|sraila|
 
Austrian| | | | |
 
Austronesian| | | | |
 
Azeri|Азәрбајҹан|azrbaidjna| |
 
Bahamian| | | | |
 
Bahraini| | | | |
 
Balochi| | | | |
 
Bangladeshi|বাংলা (ˈbaŋla)|bangla'e| |
 
Bantu| | | | |
 
Barbadian| | | | |
 
Basque|Euskadi|eskladi, skalduna| |country
 
Basque|Euskara|eskra| |language
 
Bavarian (German)|Bayern (ˈbaɪ.ɐn)|bai'arno| |
 
Belarusian|беларуская|blarska'a | |
 
Belgian| | | | |
 
Belizean| | | | |
 
Bengali|Bangla|bengali| |
 
Berber| | | | |
 
Boer| | | | |
 
Bosnian| | | | |
 
Brazilian|Brasil| |bra'ila|
 
Breton| | |bre'one|
 
British| poli | |bri'ito|
 
British Virgin Islands| |bri'ito plurvardjino| |
 
Bulgarian| | | | |
 
Burkinabe| | | | |
 
Burundian| | | | |
 
Cajun| | | | |
 
Cambodian| | | | |
 
Cameroonian| | | | |
 
Canadian| | | | |cka'ada|It seems '''ka'anda''' doesn't fit the [[rafsi fu'ivla]] form.
 
Catalan| | | | |
 
Cape Verdean| | | | |
 
Chadian| | | | |
 
Chilean| | |tci'ile|
 
Chinese| ethn| 中华/zhōnghuá | djonxua | djo'uxa| [[Why jungo makes no sense..]]
 
Chinese (PRC)| poli | 中国/zhōngguó |djonguo | djo'ugo| [[gugrjunguo]] ? see above
 
Chinese (Han)| ethn |汉族 hànzú | xandzu | xna'azu |
 
Chuvash| | Чӑвашла (tɕəʋaʂˈla)|tcufcla| |
 
Colombian| | | | |
 
Comorian| | | | |
 
Conglolese| | | | |
 
Corsican| | | | |
 
Croatian|hrvatski (xř̩ʋaːtski)|xraftski| |
 
Cuban| | | | |
 
Cypriot| | | | |
 
Czech|čeština (ˈt͡ʃɛʃcɪna)|tcectsina| |
 
Dane| | | | |
 
Dominican| | | | |
 
Dravidian| |dravida| |
 
Netherlander/Dutch|Nederland|enderla| |
 
Netherlands Antilles|Nederlandse Antillen| |enderla antile|
 
East Timorese| | | | |
 
Ecuadorian| | | | |
 
Egyptian| | |smi'iro|
 
Emirati| | | | |
 
English| ?| | |gli'ico|
 
Eritrean| | | | |
 
Erzya|эрзянь|erzia| |
 
Esperanto|lang,cult|Esperanto|espranto|spe'ato|
 
Estonian|eesti (ˈeːsti) |esti|ste'iti, sto'ina|
 
Ethiopian| | | | |
 
Evenki|Эвэнки|evneki| |
 
Finn| | | | |
 
Finnic| | | | |
 
Finnish| | |tsu'omi|
 
Finno-Ugric| | | | |
 
Fijian| | | | |
 
Filipino| | | | |
 
French| | |fra'ase|
 
Georgian| | | | |
 
German| | |jdoico|
 
Germanic| | | | |
 
Ghanaian| | | | |
 
Gibraltar| | | | |
 
Greek| poli,lang,ethn|kulnrxelada| |
 
Greenlandic|Kalaallisut|klalsitu| |
 
Grenadian| | | | |
 
Guatemalan| | | | |
 
Guianese| | | | |
 
Guinean| | | | |
 
Guinea-Bissau| | | | |
 
Guyanese| | | | |
 
Haida| | | | |
 
Haitian| | | | |
 
Hebrew| | | | |
 
Hindi| |indi| |
 
Hispanic| | |spi'ani|
 
Honduran| | | | |
 
Hongkonger| |xonkno| |
 
Hungarian|Magyar| |jma'aro|
 
Hutus| | | | |
 
Icelander| | | | |
 
Igbo| | | | |
 
Inari Sami|anarâškielâ|anraci| |
 
Indian| | | | |
 
Indo-Aryan| | | | |
 
Indo-European| | | | |
 
Indonesian| | | | |
 
Inuit| | | | |
 
Inuktitut| |inktitu| |
 
Iranian| | | | |
 
Iraqi| | |xri'aki|
 
Irish|Ireland (ˈaɾlənd), Éire (ˈeːɾʲə)|erlando| |
 
Israeli| | |sra'eli|
 
Italian|Italia|iltalia| |
 
Ivoirian| | | | |
 
Jamaican| | | | |
 
Japanese|Nihon| |sni'ono|
 
Javanese| | | | |
 
Jordanian|Al-Urdun|lurduno| |
 
Karen| | | | |
 
Kazakh| | | | |
 
Kenyan| | | | |
 
Klingon| | |kli'iga|
 
Korean |  | | | | |
 
Kosovo Albanian| | | | |
 
Kurd| | | | |
 
Kurdish| | | | |
 
Kuwaiti| | | | |
 
Lao| | | | |
 
Latin|Latīna (laˈtiːna)|kulnrlatina, la'itna, latnia| |
 
Latvian|latviešu|latfiecu| |
 
Lebanese| | | | |
 
Liberian| | | | |
 
Libyan| | | | |
 
Liechtensteiner| | | | |
 
Limbu|Yakthung|iaktu| |
 
Lithuanian|lietuvių|iltuviu| |
 
Livonian|Līvõ|ilvo| |
 
Lojbanic| | | |jbo'anu|This one is ugly.Aside from the debate about whether "Lojbanic" should be a [[fu'ivla]] at all, there's really no good way to cram any form of '''logji bangu''' into CCVVCV. However, here's an attempt. '''jbo'anu''' --[[rab.spir]]  Maybe '''jbaubo'''Ah ha, I get it - rearranging the vowels of '''jbobau'''.
 
Luxembourger| | | | |
 
Macedonian| | | | |
 
Malawian| | | | |
 
Malaysian| | |mle'eja|
 
Malay-Indonesian| | | | |
 
Malian| | | | |
 
Maltese| | | | |
 
Manchu| |mantcu'u| |
 
Mandarin|lang|Pǔtōnghuà|putnxua| tno'uxa|
 
Manx| | | | |
 
Maori| | | | |
 
Mauritian| | | | |
 
Mayan| | | | |
 
Mexican| | |sme'iko|
 
Moldovan| | | | |
 
Mongolian| | | | |
 
Moroccan| | |gri'iba|
 
Montenegrin| | | | |
 
Namibian| | | | |
 
Native American| | | | |
 
Nepalese| | | | |
 
New Zealander| | | | |
 
Nicaraguan| | | | |
 
Nigerian| | | | |
 
Nigerien| | | | |
 
Niger-Congo| | | | |
 
Northern Sami|Davvisámegiella|dafsamegiela|
 
Norwegian|| | |sno'ogo|I'm Swedish so feel free to replace if you come up with something better
 
Ossetic|Ирон|irno| |
 
Pakistani| | | | |
 
Palauan| | | | |
 
Palestinian| | | | |
 
Panamanian| | | | |
 
Papua New Guinean| | | | |
 
Paraguayan| | | | |
 
Persian|Farsi| |fa'arsi|
 
Peruvian| | | | |
 
Piedmont (Italian)|Piemonte|pienmote| |
 
Polish|polski|polski|plo'oka|
 
Polynesian| || |plo'ini|forget the autonym, the gismu list manages with '''polno'''
 
Portuguese| | |pro'uge|
 
Puerto Rican| | |prueto|
 
Punjabi| | | | |
 
Quebecer| | | | |
 
Quechua|('χetʃ.wa)|xetcua| |
 
Reunionnai| | | | |
 
Roma| | | | |
 
Romanian| | | | |
 
Russian|русский (ˈruskʲɪj)|kulnlrosia|sro'isa|
 
Rwandan| | | | |
 
Salvandoran| | | | |
 
Sami| | | | |
 
Samoyedic| | | | |
 
Sanskrit|संस्कृता saṃskṛtā|samskrta| |
 
Sao Tome and Principe| | | | |
 
Sardinian| | | | |
 
Saudi| | | | |
 
Semitic| | | | |
 
Senegalese| | | | |
 
Serb|Srpski (ˈsr̩pskiː)|serpski| |
 
Scot| | |sco'oto|
 
Sicilian| | | | |
 
Sierra Leonean| | | | |
 
Silesian| | | | |
 
Singaporean| | | | |
 
Slavic| | |slo'ovo|
 
Slovak|slovenčina|slovntcina| |
 
Slovene|slovenščina|slovnctcina| |
 
Somali| | | | |
 
South African| | | | |
 
Soviet|| |kulnrsovietskii| |Seems wrong for me. '''softo''' does <u>not</u> mean ''Soviet'' - read the full definition, not just the keyword! -- mi'e [[User:Cyril Slobin ir|Cyril Slobin ir]])
 
Spanish| | |spa'ano|
 
Sri Lankan| | | | |
 
Sudanese| | | | |
 
Swedish| | |sfe'ero|
 
Swiss| | | | |
 
Syrian| | | | |
 
Syriac| | | | |
 
Tai| | | | |
 
Taiwanese| | | | |
 
Tamil| | | | |
 
Tanzanian| | | | |
 
Tatar| | | | |
 
Thai| | | | |
 
Tibetan| | | | |
 
Tlapanec|Meph'aa|
 
Tlingit|Lingít (ɬɪŋkɪ́t)|linkti| |
 
Tobagonian| | | | |
 
Trinidadian| | | | |
 
Tsez|цезйас| |tseiza|
 
Tungusic| | | | |
 
Turkic| | | | |
 
Turkish|Türkçe (ˈt̪yɾktʃe)|turktce| |
 
Tutsi| | | | |
 
Tuvaluan| | | | |
 
Udmurt|удмурт|udmurtu| |
 
Ugandan| | | | |
 
Ugric| | | | |
 
Uralic| | | | |
 
Ukrainian|украї́нська (ukrɑˈjinʲsʲkɑ)|krainska| |
 
Urdu| |urdu| |
 
Uruguayan| | | | |
 
UK| |unke, kingdo| |
 
U.S.| || |steito|I suggest '''steito''' for U.S. Keep in mind that Central Americans call themselves ''americano''.) ''Not only Central Americans. I call myself americano as well. --mi'e [[User:xorxes|xorxes]]''
 
Uzbek|Ўзбекча|zbektca| |
 
Venezuelan| | | | |
 
Vietnamese| | ||zvi'ena|I'm not sure if {ie} sounds like "iệt", so I use y'ybu here. I prefer {zv} over {jv} in ease of pronouncing — mi'e xydyx
 
Warlpiri| |uarlpiri| |
 
Welsh|Cymru (ˈkəmrɨ)|ekmru, uelcu|ckueru|
 
Yemeni| | | | |
 
Zambian| | | | |
 
Zimbabwean| | | | |
 
Zulu| | | | |
 
 
== Philosophy/Religion ==
 
glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes
 
Aristotelian|Aristoteles|arstotele| |
 
Buddhist| | |jbu'udo|
 
Cartesian|Descartes|dekrto| |
 
Christian| |kulnrxristiano|xraiso|
 
Confucian|Kǒng zǐ|kongzi| |
 
Hobbesian| |xo'obzu| |
 
Islamic| | |sla'ami|
 
Jehovist| | | |
 
Jewish|||dju'icy|
 
Kantian|Kant|aknto|kna'ati |
 
Marxian| Marx |marksu| mra'asi|
 
Platonistic|Platon| |pla'ato|
 
Taoist| 道教/dàojiào | daudjiau |dji'ado, djo'ixo, dja'uda |
 
== Discussion ==
 
This whole things seems rather a waste of effort to me. Attempting to come up with a word for each and every country, race, culture, language, etc. that exist is an over-ambitious and ultimately fruitless task. Instead of trying to come up with a "cultural" word for everything, we should use [[cultural replacement lujvo|cultural words]] where the specific culture/language/country/etc. is a place-tag to be filled be a cmene or cmevla.
 
kulnr- words are all well and good, but the idea of cultural fu'ivla as proposed in the book is to use the CCVVCV form so that corresponding CCVVC rafsi can be formed. Many lujvo already involve cultural rafsi (the 3-letter kind), so eliminating cultural rafsi altogether would be damaging to the language. --[[rab.spir]]
 
*In that case, Rob, Classic Wiki Conflict Resolution: I suggest kunlr- words, you suggest CCVVCV words, they both go on the Marketplace Of Ideas (and hopefully neither wins and the baseline is preserved! Mwahahah :-) (Btw, as another meta-point: since gli'ico is glico with an extra vowel, it doesn't address the 'recognisability' objection.) -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
**I actually don't have a problem with [[cultural gismu]] - however, if they are going to become taboo, I'd at least like to have [[rafsi fu'ivla]] to fall back on. I realize that CCVVCV will be just as unrecognizable as CCVCV or CVCCV. Besides, this is the one place where the baseline bends! The book states that [[rafsi fu'ivla]] might be used, or they might not. I think we might as well play with it and see what happens.
 
** and if neither wins, what do we do for, say, taiwanese culture?
 
Are we agreed that the place should form the basis of cultural fu'ivla in general (and where available --- counterexample, Roma/Gypsies), rather than the nationality? That's what has been assumed in [[le tutra pe le terdi|le tutra pe le terdi]]. (And please God, not more "thousand flowers".) Is it ''kulnlrosia'', or ''kulnlruskii''? -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
 
kulnlruskii - russian culture. tutrlrosia - Russia. Or use the gismu for the source languages of lojban...
 
PS: Love to see you come up with an autonym for Polynesian...
 
''mononesian?''
 
* Not antonym, but autonym: self-designation
 
The above is a list of all the cultures that Lojban currently has gismu for, plus a couple of others. If there is another culture you'd like the word for, then by all means, add it.
 
We have a gismu for ''Antarctica''?  ''Sure thing.  '''dzipo''' (I understand it's from '''cadzu cipni''', land of the walking birds (i.e. penguins)''  It even has '''two''' short rafsi: -zip- and -zi'o-.

Latest revision as of 07:55, 5 August 2020

(Don't like cultural gismu? Want to junk all of them? First you'll need to have replacements available for use.)

See cultural replacement lujvo, another approach to cultural fu'ivla and also ISO generated cultural fu'ivla.

Geographic

glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes

African| |afrkia|fra'ika|

Afro-Eurasian| | | |

American| |amrkia|mre'ika|

Antarctican| | |dzi'ipo|

Australian | | | |sra'alo|

Asian| | | | xa'azdo|

Eurasian| | | |

European| |erpa|xre'opa, vre'opa|

North American| | |bernmre'ika|

South American| | |nanrmre'ika |by the syllable-switching trick, Quechua --> tce'uka?

Political/Ethnicity/Language (please specify)

glico |type | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes

Afghan| poli,lang|| | |

Afro-Asiatic| | | | |

Arabic| ethn,lang|| | |

Albanian| | | | |

Algerian| |djazari| |

Altaic| | | | |

American Samoa|Amerika Sāmoa|steito asmo'a| |

Andalusian| | | | |

Andorran| | | | |

Angolan| | | | |

Anglophone| lang| | | | |

Argentinian| | |arxentina|xre'ina|

Armenian | | հայերեն (hɑjɛˈɾɛn)|xa'erne| |

Aromanian| | | | |

Aruban| | | | |

Assyrian| | | | |

Australian| |kulnraustralia, straina|sraila|

Austrian| | | | |

Austronesian| | | | |

Azeri|Азәрбајҹан|azrbaidjna| |

Bahamian| | | | |

Bahraini| | | | |

Balochi| | | | |

Bangladeshi|বাংলা (ˈbaŋla)|bangla'e| |

Bantu| | | | |

Barbadian| | | | |

Basque|Euskadi|eskladi, skalduna| |country

Basque|Euskara|eskra| |language

Bavarian (German)|Bayern (ˈbaɪ.ɐn)|bai'arno| |

Belarusian|беларуская|blarska'a | |

Belgian| | | | |

Belizean| | | | |

Bengali|Bangla|bengali| |

Berber| | | | |

Boer| | | | |

Bosnian| | | | |

Brazilian|Brasil| |bra'ila|

Breton| | |bre'one|

British| poli | |bri'ito|

British Virgin Islands| |bri'ito plurvardjino| |

Bulgarian| | | | |

Burkinabe| | | | |

Burundian| | | | |

Cajun| | | | |

Cambodian| | | | |

Cameroonian| | | | |

Canadian| | | | |cka'ada|It seems ka'anda doesn't fit the rafsi fu'ivla form.

Catalan| | | | |

Cape Verdean| | | | |

Chadian| | | | |

Chilean| | |tci'ile|

Chinese| ethn| 中华/zhōnghuá | djonxua | djo'uxa| Why jungo makes no sense..

Chinese (PRC)| poli | 中国/zhōngguó |djonguo | djo'ugo| gugrjunguo ? see above

Chinese (Han)| ethn |汉族 hànzú | xandzu | xna'azu |

Chuvash| | Чӑвашла (tɕəʋaʂˈla)|tcufcla| |

Colombian| | | | |

Comorian| | | | |

Conglolese| | | | |

Corsican| | | | |

Croatian|hrvatski (xř̩ʋaːtski)|xraftski| |

Cuban| | | | |

Cypriot| | | | |

Czech|čeština (ˈt͡ʃɛʃcɪna)|tcectsina| |

Dane| | | | |

Dominican| | | | |

Dravidian| |dravida| |

Netherlander/Dutch|Nederland|enderla| |

Netherlands Antilles|Nederlandse Antillen| |enderla antile|

East Timorese| | | | |

Ecuadorian| | | | |

Egyptian| | |smi'iro|

Emirati| | | | |

English| ?| | |gli'ico|

Eritrean| | | | |

Erzya|эрзянь|erzia| |

Esperanto|lang,cult|Esperanto|espranto|spe'ato|

Estonian|eesti (ˈeːsti) |esti|ste'iti, sto'ina|

Ethiopian| | | | |

Evenki|Эвэнки|evneki| |

Finn| | | | |

Finnic| | | | |

Finnish| | |tsu'omi|

Finno-Ugric| | | | |

Fijian| | | | |

Filipino| | | | |

French| | |fra'ase|

Georgian| | | | |

German| | |jdoico|

Germanic| | | | |

Ghanaian| | | | |

Gibraltar| | | | |

Greek| poli,lang,ethn|kulnrxelada| |

Greenlandic|Kalaallisut|klalsitu| |

Grenadian| | | | |

Guatemalan| | | | |

Guianese| | | | |

Guinean| | | | |

Guinea-Bissau| | | | |

Guyanese| | | | |

Haida| | | | |

Haitian| | | | |

Hebrew| | | | |

Hindi| |indi| |

Hispanic| | |spi'ani|

Honduran| | | | |

Hongkonger| |xonkno| |

Hungarian|Magyar| |jma'aro|

Hutus| | | | |

Icelander| | | | |

Igbo| | | | |

Inari Sami|anarâškielâ|anraci| |

Indian| | | | |

Indo-Aryan| | | | |

Indo-European| | | | |

Indonesian| | | | |

Inuit| | | | |

Inuktitut| |inktitu| |

Iranian| | | | |

Iraqi| | |xri'aki|

Irish|Ireland (ˈaɾlənd), Éire (ˈeːɾʲə)|erlando| |

Israeli| | |sra'eli|

Italian|Italia|iltalia| |

Ivoirian| | | | |

Jamaican| | | | |

Japanese|Nihon| |sni'ono|

Javanese| | | | |

Jordanian|Al-Urdun|lurduno| |

Karen| | | | |

Kazakh| | | | |

Kenyan| | | | |

Klingon| | |kli'iga|

Korean | | | | | |

Kosovo Albanian| | | | |

Kurd| | | | |

Kurdish| | | | |

Kuwaiti| | | | |

Lao| | | | |

Latin|Latīna (laˈtiːna)|kulnrlatina, la'itna, latnia| |

Latvian|latviešu|latfiecu| |

Lebanese| | | | |

Liberian| | | | |

Libyan| | | | |

Liechtensteiner| | | | |

Limbu|Yakthung|iaktu| |

Lithuanian|lietuvių|iltuviu| |

Livonian|Līvõ|ilvo| |

Lojbanic| | | |jbo'anu|This one is ugly.Aside from the debate about whether "Lojbanic" should be a fu'ivla at all, there's really no good way to cram any form of logji bangu into CCVVCV. However, here's an attempt. jbo'anu --rab.spir Maybe jbauboAh ha, I get it - rearranging the vowels of jbobau.

Luxembourger| | | | |

Macedonian| | | | |

Malawian| | | | |

Malaysian| | |mle'eja|

Malay-Indonesian| | | | |

Malian| | | | |

Maltese| | | | |

Manchu| |mantcu'u| |

Mandarin|lang|Pǔtōnghuà|putnxua| tno'uxa|

Manx| | | | |

Maori| | | | |

Mauritian| | | | |

Mayan| | | | |

Mexican| | |sme'iko|

Moldovan| | | | |

Mongolian| | | | |

Moroccan| | |gri'iba|

Montenegrin| | | | |

Namibian| | | | |

Native American| | | | |

Nepalese| | | | |

New Zealander| | | | |

Nicaraguan| | | | |

Nigerian| | | | |

Nigerien| | | | |

Niger-Congo| | | | |

Northern Sami|Davvisámegiella|dafsamegiela|

Norwegian|| | |sno'ogo|I'm Swedish so feel free to replace if you come up with something better

Ossetic|Ирон|irno| |

Pakistani| | | | |

Palauan| | | | |

Palestinian| | | | |

Panamanian| | | | |

Papua New Guinean| | | | |

Paraguayan| | | | |

Persian|Farsi| |fa'arsi|

Peruvian| | | | |

Piedmont (Italian)|Piemonte|pienmote| |

Polish|polski|polski|plo'oka|

Polynesian| || |plo'ini|forget the autonym, the gismu list manages with polno

Portuguese| | |pro'uge|

Puerto Rican| | |prueto|

Punjabi| | | | |

Quebecer| | | | |

Quechua|('χetʃ.wa)|xetcua| |

Reunionnai| | | | |

Roma| | | | |

Romanian| | | | |

Russian|русский (ˈruskʲɪj)|kulnlrosia|sro'isa|

Rwandan| | | | |

Salvandoran| | | | |

Sami| | | | |

Samoyedic| | | | |

Sanskrit|संस्कृता saṃskṛtā|samskrta| |

Sao Tome and Principe| | | | |

Sardinian| | | | |

Saudi| | | | |

Semitic| | | | |

Senegalese| | | | |

Serb|Srpski (ˈsr̩pskiː)|serpski| |

Scot| | |sco'oto|

Sicilian| | | | |

Sierra Leonean| | | | |

Silesian| | | | |

Singaporean| | | | |

Slavic| | |slo'ovo|

Slovak|slovenčina|slovntcina| |

Slovene|slovenščina|slovnctcina| |

Somali| | | | |

South African| | | | |

Soviet|| |kulnrsovietskii| |Seems wrong for me. softo does not mean Soviet - read the full definition, not just the keyword! -- mi'e Cyril Slobin ir)

Spanish| | |spa'ano|

Sri Lankan| | | | |

Sudanese| | | | |

Swedish| | |sfe'ero|

Swiss| | | | |

Syrian| | | | |

Syriac| | | | |

Tai| | | | |

Taiwanese| | | | |

Tamil| | | | |

Tanzanian| | | | |

Tatar| | | | |

Thai| | | | |

Tibetan| | | | |

Tlapanec|Meph'aa|

Tlingit|Lingít (ɬɪŋkɪ́t)|linkti| |

Tobagonian| | | | |

Trinidadian| | | | |

Tsez|цезйас| |tseiza|

Tungusic| | | | |

Turkic| | | | |

Turkish|Türkçe (ˈt̪yɾktʃe)|turktce| |

Tutsi| | | | |

Tuvaluan| | | | |

Udmurt|удмурт|udmurtu| |

Ugandan| | | | |

Ugric| | | | |

Uralic| | | | |

Ukrainian|украї́нська (ukrɑˈjinʲsʲkɑ)|krainska| |

Urdu| |urdu| |

Uruguayan| | | | |

UK| |unke, kingdo| |

U.S.| || |steito|I suggest steito for U.S. Keep in mind that Central Americans call themselves americano.) Not only Central Americans. I call myself americano as well. --mi'e xorxes

Uzbek|Ўзбекча|zbektca| |

Venezuelan| | | | |

Vietnamese| | ||zvi'ena|I'm not sure if {ie} sounds like "iệt", so I use y'ybu here. I prefer {zv} over {jv} in ease of pronouncing — mi'e xydyx

Warlpiri| |uarlpiri| |

Welsh|Cymru (ˈkəmrɨ)|ekmru, uelcu|ckueru|

Yemeni| | | | |

Zambian| | | | |

Zimbabwean| | | | |

Zulu| | | | |


Philosophy/Religion

glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes

Aristotelian|Aristoteles|arstotele| |

Buddhist| | |jbu'udo|

Cartesian|Descartes|dekrto| |

Christian| |kulnrxristiano|xraiso|

Confucian|Kǒng zǐ|kongzi| |

Hobbesian| |xo'obzu| |

Islamic| | |sla'ami|

Jehovist| | | |

Jewish|||dju'icy|

Kantian|Kant|aknto|kna'ati |

Marxian| Marx |marksu| mra'asi|

Platonistic|Platon| |pla'ato|

Taoist| 道教/dàojiào | daudjiau |dji'ado, djo'ixo, dja'uda |

Discussion

This whole things seems rather a waste of effort to me. Attempting to come up with a word for each and every country, race, culture, language, etc. that exist is an over-ambitious and ultimately fruitless task. Instead of trying to come up with a "cultural" word for everything, we should use cultural words where the specific culture/language/country/etc. is a place-tag to be filled be a cmene or cmevla.

kulnr- words are all well and good, but the idea of cultural fu'ivla as proposed in the book is to use the CCVVCV form so that corresponding CCVVC rafsi can be formed. Many lujvo already involve cultural rafsi (the 3-letter kind), so eliminating cultural rafsi altogether would be damaging to the language. --rab.spir

  • In that case, Rob, Classic Wiki Conflict Resolution: I suggest kunlr- words, you suggest CCVVCV words, they both go on the Marketplace Of Ideas (and hopefully neither wins and the baseline is preserved! Mwahahah :-) (Btw, as another meta-point: since gli'ico is glico with an extra vowel, it doesn't address the 'recognisability' objection.) -- nitcion
    • I actually don't have a problem with cultural gismu - however, if they are going to become taboo, I'd at least like to have rafsi fu'ivla to fall back on. I realize that CCVVCV will be just as unrecognizable as CCVCV or CVCCV. Besides, this is the one place where the baseline bends! The book states that rafsi fu'ivla might be used, or they might not. I think we might as well play with it and see what happens.
    • and if neither wins, what do we do for, say, taiwanese culture?

Are we agreed that the place should form the basis of cultural fu'ivla in general (and where available --- counterexample, Roma/Gypsies), rather than the nationality? That's what has been assumed in le tutra pe le terdi. (And please God, not more "thousand flowers".) Is it kulnlrosia, or kulnlruskii? -- nitcion

kulnlruskii - russian culture. tutrlrosia - Russia. Or use the gismu for the source languages of lojban...

PS: Love to see you come up with an autonym for Polynesian...

mononesian?

  • Not antonym, but autonym: self-designation

The above is a list of all the cultures that Lojban currently has gismu for, plus a couple of others. If there is another culture you'd like the word for, then by all means, add it.

We have a gismu for Antarctica? Sure thing. dzipo (I understand it's from cadzu cipni, land of the walking birds (i.e. penguins) It even has two short rafsi: -zip- and -zi'o-.