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<p>Conversion script moved page <a href="/papri/Allow_BAI_phrase_to_modify_tense_markers" class="mw-redirect" title="Allow BAI phrase to modify tense markers">Allow BAI phrase to modify tense markers</a> to <a href="/papri/allow_BAI_phrase_to_modify_tense_markers" title="allow BAI phrase to modify tense markers">allow BAI phrase to modify tense markers</a>: Converting page titles to lowercase</p>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: " to ""
2014-03-23T16:20:18Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: " to ""</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This seems questionable: the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi. The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>.djorden.|.djorden.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This seems questionable: the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi. The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e [[.djorden.|.djorden.]]</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"
2014-03-23T15:44:01Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ungrammatical, at least according to [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>jbofi'e|jbofi'e]]. I propose that a BAI phrase, preceded by "pe", be allowed to modify a tense marker just as it can a sumti. --phma</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ungrammatical, at least according to [[jbofi'e|jbofi'e]]. I propose that a BAI phrase, preceded by "pe", be allowed to modify a tense marker just as it can a sumti. --phma</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This seems questionable: the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi. The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e [[jbocre: .djorden.|.djorden.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This seems questionable: the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi. The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e [[jbocre: .djorden.|.djorden.]]</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([A-K])" to "$1"
2014-03-23T14:46:21Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: ([A-K])" to "$1"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This seems questionable: the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi. The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e [[jbocre: .djorden.|.djorden.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This seems questionable: the sema'i is zo'e, so it can just as easily be le se pritu as the whole bridi. The same thing happens when you put it in a pe. --mi'e [[jbocre: .djorden.|.djorden.]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>No change needed here: this [[ku|ku]] is elidable. --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>John Cowan|John Cowan]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>No change needed here: this [[ku|ku]] is elidable. --[[John Cowan|John Cowan]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You can use '''jai''' for that.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You can use '''jai''' for that.</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: n" to "n"
2014-03-23T12:59:18Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: n" to "n"</p>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: k" to "k"
2014-03-23T11:45:13Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: k" to "k"</p>
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Gleki
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Vruxir at 16:42, 4 November 2013
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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>* '''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/alice.html Alice's Adventures In Wonderland]''' (see also the [http://alis.lojban.org/ newer version] by [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/xorxes xorxes])<br />
* '''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/drbible.html The Christian Bible]'''<br />
* '''[http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Old+lojban.org+Page+Translations Old lojban.org Page Translations]'''</div>
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